Dravokivich wrote: » Why didn't she get the dart? It goes straight into town, whereas a bus route usually meanders around. There's your time difference. It's also one of, if not the highest used services she did her piece on. So there'll be more loading times with higher throughput of passengers.
strandroad wrote: » 46A doesn't meander, it goes up to N11 and into town to serve Deansgrange, Foxrock, Stillorgan and UCD. It's just very slow because bus lanes are only part of the way and loading/unloading is so slow with the inefficient system we have. And that's QBC speeds for you...
Joker2019 wrote: » Riddiculous article. No one uses the 46a to go from DL ro the city centre. Most people use the DART and if they are using a bus it would be the quicker and more direct 7/a. It has to be remembered that buses don't go from A to B (ie. terminus to terminus) they go from A to Z via B, C, E, H, I, K. She clearly dosen't understand how buses work.
strandroad wrote: » Many people from Deansgrange use it to go into town, it's quite a trek to go down to the Dart and you would need another walk from Tara or Connolly. And yes it's slow just as she described. Why to attack the author when she's presenting a legitimate point?
AlmightyCushion wrote: » Is that the whole article or am I missing something? It looks like she didn't finish writing the rest of it.
Joker2019 wrote: » I clearly stated DL in my post. The walk from Connolly, Pearse or Tara shouldn't be an issue to an able bodied person. I don't understand the point she is trying to make as there are quicker alternatives. The worst stretch on the 46a outside of the city centre is from Mountown Road to Deansgrange. Deansgrange is near enough the N11 and then again from certain areas it would be quicker to catch the 4.
thomasj wrote: » Maybe someone would be kind enough to remind our journalist friends that there are other bus routes operating in and out of the city
thomasj wrote: » There's a paywall there so you have to be a subscriber to see the rest of the article.
Dial Hard wrote: » I think the point is that her experience of the 46A is broadly representative of plenty of other bus routes into the city. I take the 15 from Ballycullen to Rathmines every morning, a distance of 9.7km and it takes 50-53 minutes. Can be an hour on a rainy day.
Joker2019 wrote: » The N11 corridor is actually quite efficient if gou live along it. The main issue I have with it is the stretch from Leeson Street Bridge to the city centre which can be very slow due to private cars. I think it is an excellent service. Most people using it to go from DL are using as a local service to get ro places like Deansgrange, Stillorgan and UCD not the city centre.
strandroad wrote: » Why not to cancel it then if it's so unnecessary? The point is that it's a popular QBC service and it's woefully slow.
dancingqueen wrote: » Wrong. Plenty of us use the 46a to go to town. It's closer to a lot of areas in town than the DART and you have a higher chance of getting a seat (some people can't stand for prolonged periods of time). Living up towards the N11, your commute is longer getting to and from the DART and/or to and from work from the DART. The 7a is not in fact quicker, it is less frequent (every 20 minutes as opposed to every 8) and the bottleneck of Blackrock means you can sit on the bus from one side to the other for up to 20 minutes to get down past the Frascati. So, if you add all that together, the stress is far less to go for a 46a, maybe miss it and still get one in 8 minutes. There is a bus lane most of the way bar a small part of Deansgrange. In my time commuting from DL to town, the 46a is the best option. And it's always packed. Usually full from Park Pointe.
Joker2019 wrote: » Because it serves more of a purpose for local journies that are not going into the city centre from DL to Deansgrange. I know some use it to go to the city centre but many are only using it to go from DL to Deansgrange, Stillorgan or UCD. Not everyone using N11 buses are going into the city centre. It's not woefully slow either it takes me around 45 mins to an hour to get from Foxrock Church to the city centre at 7.45 in the morning which seems ok.
strandroad wrote: » So it takes you up to an hour to cover 10km. 10km/h bus speed is woefully slow in my book, but feel free to disagree. The point of the article is that if the QBC service is so slow, how slow are the regular ones... the system is not fit for the purpose.
Joker2019 wrote: » Well urban journies are typically the slowest type of journies. It's quicker than commuting by car personally I find it alright when you think about it. All journies to and from the city centre are going to be slow.
strandroad wrote: » With all due respect, I would really recommend trying to live in another city for a while, just to see what it feels like when standards are not so dreadfully low! You can actually have fast and efficient bus commutes, but we won't have them as long as passengers accept that 10km/h and two hours on the bus a day is grand.
Joker2019 wrote: » Where are these cities. An hour wouldn't nessecarily be the time spent on the bus but rather the time spent commuting from the time you get from your front door to your college or workplace. Urban buses can be a slow mode of transport the thing that sells the service for most people is frequency and reliability rather than journey times.
Dial Hard wrote: » The 50-53 minutes to cover 9.7km in my example is literally the time it takes on the bus. My full commute takes around an hour and a half. It would genuinely be quicker for me to drive to work.
Joker2019 wrote: » And is there a bus lane on your commute? Remember that's at peak times most cities have a morning and evening peak it's far quicker off peak. I find the evening peak far worse than the morning peak.
Dial Hard wrote: » Yep, 15. There are bus lanes for maybe half to two-thirds of the part I’m on. I get on it at 7.20 in the mornings, so I’m missing the worst of the schools traffic, etc. and it still takes that long. Drives me mental.
