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Dream time. If you had €200 billion what would you spend it on?

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If you had €200 billion what infrastructure projects would you splash out on to improve our country?

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LeinsterDub

Rayna Slow Salami wrote: »

Tell that to the Indian Government who in July 2019, gave the final nod for construction of a Hyperloop train between Mumbai and Pune. It's a Government approved a consortium between Virgin Hyperloop One and DP World
https://www.railway-technology.com/features/will-india-be-the-first-to-see-a-hyperloop-one-train-in-action/
The proposed link connecting Mumbai and Pune (148km) will slash the current 3.5 hours travel time to under 35 minutes.
Initial open air track tests have alredy taken place in Vegas, 136mph within 2.2 seconds (clearly not at full potential yet).

Open air tests? I think we already have a name for that owe yeah a train.

tharlear

[QUOTEMovement is by magnetic fields (in vacum) thus near instant stop/start in any emergency

Good luck with that near instant stop from 1200km/h ][/QUOTE]

remember , speed does not kill, its the sudden lack of it that kills

4068ac1elhodqr

ncounties wrote: »

... it's actually a longer stopping distance....
.... The total distance between pods would need to be 16.6km.

None of this is relevant.
If one pod has to reduce speed at any rate, then next (or all others) will do so also, be default in relative terms, and in calculated pre-emptive synchronicity.

Indeed you could have a dozen pods within 5metres of each other, and if the lead one has to brake/accelerate, then all the others do so also, without any human intervention.
You've heard of automated driving in networked truck convoys? The whole advantage of these (many approved for live road trails) is very close sensory spacing, a 'convoy' so to speak playing follow the leader.

Bear in mind no foreign objects can enter a sealed vacum, capable of explicitly to handle down to 100 Pa of pressure. So the risk of encountering anything is very remote (unlike HSRail). Even external factors are very low, when encapsulated in twin tubes of steel. There are no interactions with other transport, weather or wildlife (force majeure).

Perhaps the single biggest rail safety advantage is the lack of level crossings, we've all seen the clips of chancers risking their lives as barriers come down at road intersections.
Recently someone even lost their head (actual head) when taking a peak out the window (no windows on HP), when entering a tunnel, ouch!

ncounties

Rayna Slow Salami wrote: »

Roughly speaking (or sketched out on a napkin) how many stray dogs, cyclists, blown over bins, fallen trees, signal posts, loose chippings, snow, kamikaze jumpers or leaves on the track (on average)...
- Would you expect to find (within) a 'sealed vacum tube' laden with (in-built) sensors, cameras, monitors and automated safety controls.

I.e. "Airtight pods in vacum tubes don't really do derailments"

Naturally if one pod has to reduce speed, the one behind it would do also in synchronicity, even without the reliance of potential human error factors. Humans would be a 'secondary' fail-safe, compared to fully automated systems.

Let´s assume it's not at it's maximum speed - so 1,000kph. It takes 6 seconds to decelerate from 100kph. So 60 seconds to decelerate from 1,000kph. But the average speed during deceleration will be half the original speed. So, 500kph is 500,000 metres per hour, or 139 metres per second. 139metres * 60 seconds = 8,340 metres or 8.3km. So yeah, my rough maths were out... it's actually a longer stopping distance.

Now let's imagine we want to operate a line runs with safety in mine. Not only would you need a headway of 8.3km per pod, but you'd need some buffer too for the identification of issues... say 30 seconds (at top speed which would be 139metres * 2 * 30secs) which would be another 8.3km. The total distance between pods would need to be 16.6km.

angel eyes 2012

Build state of the art public hospitals but we charge private fees for people from outside of the State for their treatment. Opposite of the current Treatment Abroad Scheme.

We will compete with the US for their private patients and with the top European hospitals in Switzerland etc. We will pay the best wages for nurses and doctors to attract the best to work here.

I actually think we should do this anyway, it could generate more income for the State and industry overall.

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

In order to have new land to build on rather than building on perfectly good farmland with ever more urban sprawl.

I live less then 3km from O'Connell St and I'm surrounded by detached two storey houses and even empty fields and brown sites sitting their undeveloped.

We don't need to reclaim the sea, we just need to get over our fear of apartments and NIMBY's against building high. Dublin has loads of easy to develop land and could easily become far denser.

Having said that, moving Dublin port out of Dublin and further up the coast would free up a massive amount of city center land for high density development. A move many European cities have very successfully done already.

4068ac1elhodqr

ncounties wrote: »

Rough fag packet maths... at that speed, a "pod" would travel over 4kms from cruise speed to a full stop (when emergency braking). If there were an emergency, how many pods would have smashed into the thing that they are trying to avoid?

Roughly speaking (or sketched out on a napkin) how many stray dogs, cyclists, blown over bins, fallen trees, signal posts, loose chippings, snow, kamikaze jumpers or leaves on the track (on average)...
- Would you expect to find (within) a 'sealed vacum tube' laden with (in-built) sensors, cameras, monitors and automated safety controls.

I.e. "Airtight pods in vacum tubes don't really do derailments"

Naturally if one pod has to reduce speed, the one behind it would do also in synchronicity, even without the reliance of potential human error factors. Humans would be a 'secondary' fail-safe, compared to fully automated systems.

ncounties

Rayna Slow Salami wrote: »

They can set the brake speed to whatever they want depending on emergency, and contents. Instantly controlled with the spin of a dial (remotely).

Normal de+acceleration force would be 0.5G (0-100kmph in 6secs) just the average Porsche leaving red lights. Very few cars or trains in existance can brake from 100 in 6secs.
Still slower than a 747 at takeoff (the 747 would however peak out at around 650mph, and even then only at around ideal air conditions of 30,000 feet).

Thus HP, is only 72secs (6secx12) upto 1200kmph (+) (uninterrupted and without lag). A F16 pulling from dive is 8G, so nowhere even near that force.

Rough fag packet maths... at that speed, a "pod" would travel over 4kms from cruise speed to a full stop (when emergency braking). If there were an emergency, how many pods would have smashed into the thing that they are trying to avoid?

4068ac1elhodqr

AAAAAAAAA wrote: »

>Movement is by magnetic fields (in vacum) thus near instant stop/start in any emergency
Good luck with that near instant stop from 1200km/h

They can set the brake speed to whatever they want depending on emergency, and contents. Instantly controlled with the spin of a dial (remotely).

Normal de+acceleration force would be 0.5G (0-100kmph in 6secs) just the average Porsche leaving red lights. Very few cars or trains in existance can brake from 100 in 6secs.
Still slower than a 747 at takeoff (the 747 would however peak out at around 650mph, and even then only at around ideal air conditions of 30,000 feet).

Thus HP, is only 72secs (6secx12) upto 1200kmph (+) (uninterrupted and without lag). A F16 pulling from dive is 8G, so nowhere even near that force.

AAAAAAAAA

>Movement is by magnetic fields (in vacum) thus near instant stop/start in any emergency

Good luck with that near instant stop from 1200km/h

4068ac1elhodqr

AAAAAAAAA wrote: »

Who exactly are hyperloops for though? Is there ever going to be a time that Joe Soap will be able to afford to use it? So far we've only seen tiny pods that hold maybe ten people at a time - what schedule spacing can these things safely have? 10 mins between pods? 1 minute? What's that in throughput, 600 people per hour?
What happens if there's an accident and the entire system loses vacuum? How long is it down for?
To me there are just a lot more questions than answers regarding these things

Or more answers, than questions:

➤ Low or no-maintence (no moving parts, or engineering needed in a vacum)
➤ Yes, pods are small, build area smaller, and cost (eventually) smaller.
➤ Extreme speed = high frequency = large mass of capacity.
➤ Vacums don't really have accidents, controlled automated environments, no issues with leaves on tracks, access or jumpers onto a sealed tube.
➤ Movement is by magnetic fields (in vacum) thus near instant stop/start in any emergency, loaded with sensors so fully automated movement, no drivers needed (no strikes).

Once India (or elsewhere) shows full-scale proof of concept as anticipated, the global orders will flood in, and so will project waiting times to access their technology and build teams.

AAAAAAAAA

Who exactly are hyperloops for though? Is there ever going to be a time that Joe Soap will be able to afford to use it? So far we've only seen tiny pods that hold maybe ten people at a time - what schedule spacing can these things safely have? 10 mins between pods? 1 minute? What's that in throughput, 600 people per hour?

What happens if there's an accident and the entire system loses vacuum? How long is it down for?

To me there are just a lot more questions than answers regarding these things

Lord Fairlord

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why would you reclaim land from the sea?

In order to have new land to build on rather than building on perfectly good farmland with ever more urban sprawl.

tharlear wrote: »

I would take the 200billion and put in a national wealth management fund, should earn about 10 to 15billion a year.

Everything you said in your post is very, very true. What you are suggesting is basically what Norway has done with their oil and gas money.

4068ac1elhodqr

LeinsterDub wrote: »

You misunderstood the question the 200 million is fictional your proposed solutions aren't meant to be

Tell that to the Indian Government who in July 2019, gave the final nod for construction of a Hyperloop train between Mumbai and Pune. It's a Government approved a consortium between Virgin Hyperloop One and DP World
https://www.railway-technology.com/features/will-india-be-the-first-to-see-a-hyperloop-one-train-in-action/
The proposed link connecting Mumbai and Pune (148km) will slash the current 3.5 hours travel time to under 35 minutes.
Initial open air track tests have alredy taken place in Vegas, 136mph within 2.2 seconds (clearly not at full potential yet).

As far as new eco-cities: there are dozens of examples from Dubai to China (285 of them) to look at, Songo the most significant. Even Morocco (Zenata) is having a go.

LeinsterDub

Rayna Slow Salami wrote: »

Hyperloop e.g. Dub-Galway in 17mins. Belfast to Cork 30mins (give of take a few seconds).
New Futuristic Green (car-free) High-rise city (also Central Hyperloop Central Terminal) at geo-centre of Island: Carnagh East

You misunderstood the question the 200 million is fictional your proposed solutions aren't meant to be

AAAAAAAAA

The value of an escape from a prison island to the Irish film industry is incalculable

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

why does the prison need to be on an island? would hugely increase costs of supplying it. not like many prisoners are escaping the current prisons.

we definitely need thornton hall built, with a supermax high security portion for gang leaders who are still running stuff from inside the jails

AAAAAAAAA

Airports
Dublin Airport T3 1.5
Dublin Airport Misc Improvements 0.5
Other Airports Misc Improvements 1

Ports
Misc 4

Power
3GW Nuclear Power Plant 15
Many Wind Turbines 5

Rail Package
Total Electrification (€4m/km) 13
MetroLink 3
DART Underground Extended Scope 8
Metro Orbital 5
Northern Line Quad Tracking (Drogheda) 1
Southern Line Quad Track (Bray) 1
Southern Commuter Double Tracking 0.6
Meath commuter 0.3
Western Line Quad Tracking (Maynooth) 0.5
Dublin Assorted Metros 10
Cork Commuter Rail and Light Rail 5
Limerick and Galway Light Rail 5
Galway Line Double Tracking 1
Re-engineering Dublin to Limerick Junction 3
Re-engineering Dublin to Belfast 2
Re-engineering Cork to Limerick 1
General Station Improvements 5

Road
Busconnects but better (everywhere) 5
M20 1
N25 1
M11 Bray to Kilmac 1
Assorted Local Projects 10

Housing
300,000 Government Houses 60

Beautification
Gussy the place up 25

Prison
yes 1

Hospitals
ok 3

Misc
Gussy my pocket up a bit 1

Total 199.4bn

[Deleted User]

magicbastarder wrote: »

EVERYONE gets a motorway from their front door to their workplace.

Why is it such a sore subject that you’re the second one to get stroppy about it? The question is what I’D do with it, not what you would.

4068ac1elhodqr

bmc58 wrote: »

Build a huge prison on one of the islands off the west coast for anyone caught drug dealing, TD's caught fiddling,civil servants found to have carelessly wasted public money and staff it well.Sentences to be served fully,no remission.

A cheap Chinese floating barge (ship) would be cheaper. Call it a 'correctional facility', as this sounds nicer and true to purpose. Would also provide plenty of work for student psychologists and life coaches (nearly every street has a life coach these days).

seamie78

a mono rail of course

4068ac1elhodqr

Hyperloop e.g. Dub-Galway in 17mins. Belfast to Cork 30mins (give of take a few seconds).
New Futuristic Green (car-free) High-rise city (also Central Hyperloop Central Terminal) at geo-centre of Island: Carnagh East

Complimentary:
UBI combined with 4-day work-weeks and free education.
Funding to end to corp & personal tax-evasion (savings directed to Health).
Support for a new zero-tolerance crime policy (prison barge placed on the Liffey).
Clamp down on corruption and public waste of funds (big printers etc).

smelly sock

Hookers, Cocaine and I'd blow the rest.

darklighter

bmc58 wrote: »

Insulate every house in Ireland that need it.Cavity insulation or if solid brick outside cladding.

Build a huge prison on one of the islands off the west coast for anyone caught drug dealing, TD's caught fiddling,civil servants found to have carelessly wasted public money and staff it well.Sentences to be served fully,no remission.

Two excellent suggestions!

I'd go a step further re. the prison idea & have the most egregious offenders partake in "Battle Royale" style games on an offshore island, which would be televised worldwide - the fee income from that would set us up to have the best possible quality of life in the world

riemann

Would it not make sense to go underground instead of building more Luas tracks?

Zebra3

You'd need a bigger jail to hold the TDs. :pac:

bmc58

Praetorian wrote: »

If you had €200 billion what infrastructure projects would you splash out on to improve our country?

Insulate every house in Ireland that need it.Cavity insulation or if solid brick outside cladding.

Build a huge prison on one of the islands off the west coast for anyone caught drug dealing, TD's caught fiddling,civil servants found to have carelessly wasted public money and staff it well.Sentences to be served fully,no remission.

orangerhyme

As well as BusConnects, I'd replace all buses with electric buses. Build modern bus depots outside m50 and build 1000's apartments on old bus depot land which is :Broadstone, Ringsend, Donnybrook, Heuston, Summerhill, Clontarf.

Build large scale offshore wind farms with pumped hydropower on land as storage.

This will allow the removal of Ardnacrusha and could restore Shannon to it's former glory.
Could phase out Moneypoint also.

Harry Palmr

I'd build a series of massive renewable projects which would take advantage of our particular prevailing weather conditions including off shore wind farms on the south east and east coast. I'd also look at that project in Cork - the hydro scheme that was proposed about 8-10 years ago.

The Shannon to Dublin mega-pipe would be built to move water east in the Autumn/Winter which would be stored in a new reservoir.

Intercity motorways between the "other 4" and on to Derry.