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How do we stop coal burning?

Billy Bobb

As Greta Thunberg said: 'I will NEVER burn the coal so I will never pay the toll'.

While this heartening to hear, how do we get other young women to stop burning the coal?

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whisky_galore

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Wind turbines can be carbon neutral in as little as six months.

Wind turbines are great until they're planned anywhere near where someone is living .

Greentopia

tipptom wrote: »

Away beardy Hippy.

Nuclear power plants for clean efficient energy.

Neither clean nor efficient. And no beard thankfully on my female physog but hippy is no insult to me. The less I have to pay out in heating and other bills the less I have to work and the more free time I have for friends, travel, gardening and so on.

Greentopia

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wind turbines are great until they're planned anywhere near where someone is living .

Doesn't have to be large turbines, you can have small micro generating wind turbines just for personal use on your own land. Some friends of mine have them and made the blades themselves and they work great.

BorneTobyWilde

First off you need to ban dirty coal, not put a tax on it, the more they tax it the more they will never ban it. It's all about he money at the end of then day.

2011

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

First off you need to ban dirty coal, not put a tax on it, the more they tax it the more they will never ban it. It's all about he money at the end of then day.

But it makes such a nice fire.

Graces7

Where I used to live in Orkney they now give these to all pensioners. I wish!

Greentopia wrote: »

Doesn't have to be large turbines, you can have small micro generating wind turbines just for personal use on your own land. Some friends of mine have them and made the blades themselves and they work great.

Graces7

decky1 wrote: »

have you ever taken a look at the power stations etc the amount of smoke coming out of them per minute and that's world wide, and you want us to stop burning coal in our homes,to save the planet, bit like us washing out bean cans before we put them in the bin.not a hope.;)

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Thank you; this has needed saying for a long time..

By the way are folk here aware that pensioners and other low income folk get a Solid Fuel Allowance of E 22.50 a week, whereas the electricity allowance now covers the standing charge and maybe lighting only.

Guess what using for heating here...

I am burning smokeless but only as the community bus refuses to carry more than one 20 kg bag at a time and the real coal comes in 40 kg bags. It is grand once lit but hard to light..

BeerWolf

Graces7 wrote: »

I am burning smokeless but only as the community bus refuses to carry more than one 20 kg bag at a time and the real coal comes in 40 kg bags. It is grand once lit but hard to light..

Sure you can find someone that'll deliver, got one that does bundle deals for good prices.

[Deleted User]

2011 wrote: »

But it makes such a nice fire.

With the added bonus of heating up the climate, tis feckin freezing at the moment and Ireland could do with warming up generally

2011

Deleted User wrote: »

With the added bonus of heating up the climate

So warmer inside and outside! It's win, win :pac:

screamer

Where do people get this electricity is clean from? Not in Ireland, where we burn “the coal” turf and anything else to produce it. Wind farms are not producing all our electricity, and the burning stations are pumping out CO2 in huge quantities, but it suits the nimbys, all the electricity they want with stinking smog elsewhere in the country.

Graces7

screamer wrote: »

Where do people get this electricity is clean from? Not in Ireland, where we burn “the coal” turf and anything else to produce it. Wind farms are not producing all our electricity, and the burning stations are pumping out CO2 in huge quantities, but it suits the nimbys, all the electricity they want with stinking smog elsewhere in the country.

To be fair, they are phasing out/ closing down power stations that burn turf, faster than they had planned and trying to deploy staff elsewhere. The effect on wildlife must be horrendous too

Wanderer78

screamer wrote:

Where do people get this electricity is clean from? Not in Ireland, where we burn â€œthe coalâ€ turf and anything else to produce it. Wind farms are not producing all our electricity, and the burning stations are pumping out CO2 in huge quantities, but it suits the nimbys, all the electricity they want with stinking smog elsewhere in the country.

Power generation is, and always was our biggest problem in this game, thankfully we re slowly moving in the right direction with in now, I'm still not convinced renewables can fill the gap though

BeerWolf

screamer wrote: »

Where do people get this electricity is clean from? Not in Ireland, where we burn “the coal” turf and anything else to produce it. Wind farms are not producing all our electricity, and the burning stations are pumping out CO2 in huge quantities, but it suits the nimbys, all the electricity they want with stinking smog elsewhere in the country.

Don't matter, as long as one feels good about themselves... :pac:

Bob Harris

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wind turbines are great until they're planned anywhere near where someone is living .

And with ireland's scattergun approach to planning that means they are always close to where someone is living.

[Deleted User]

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wind turbines are great until they're planned anywhere near where someone is living .

Or until the wind doesn't blow. And it takes the output of 2000 wind turbines to equal the output of one nuclear reactor. How big a carbon footprint does building and installing 2000 wind turbines create?

"Low thermal efficiency" what the hell is that supposed to mean?

"Efficiency and Reliability. A pellet of nuclear fuel weighs approximately 0.1 ounce (6 grams). However, that single pellet yields the amount of energy equivalent to that generated by a ton of coal, 120 gallons of oil or 17,000 cubic feet of natural gas, making nuclear fuel much more efficient than fossil fuels."
People really don't have a clue of the scale of this...

Greentopia

Graces7 wrote: »

Where I used to live in Orkney they now give these to all pensioners. I wish!

Those damn hippy pensioners. They should be campaigning for a nuclear power station on that island!

God forbid anyone should have any unconventional ideas about taking control over their own lives. Notions eh?

Wanderer78

unfortunately i cant ever see nuclear power stations being built here, we ll just continue to farm that risk out to others, while we receive the power

nthclare

Thanks op, this is a great reminder to go the local coal dealer and feed my hearths desires and purpose to keeping my dwelling warm and toasty.

I can see it now in the future, van found on the m17 with 40kg of the black stuff

A man and woman are being questioned in the local guarda station.

8 months later, said couples excuse was they're 72 and 69 years old and cannot afford to get their house insulated so they were asked to move the black nuggets for a criminal organisation,and they'll get a half bag for themselves.

Meanwhile their illegal stove has been taken and their fireplace will be replaced with a small brick wall.

They were sentenced to sitting down listening to endless loops of grettas speech and endless subliminal flashes of her gib on screen for a month.

Meanwhile Peggy O Leary has been released from the Midlands prison after 4 months for getting caught with turf dust in her shed, she denied it was for personal use.

The jury of blue and pink haired ecowarriors weren't having it, there was enough dust there to burn and produce an amount of CO2 to create a cloud of smoke to fill the equivalent of a baloon...

Next story.....

olestoepoke

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Coal costs money, as does timber and turf and heating oil. There is no reason whatsoever that a house couldn't have electric radiators in all the rooms, and and electric fire in the fireplace and electric water heaters.
Could be a clean home, and you save 1500 a year from buying the coal, and the timber, and the kindling , and the heating oil. Yes you'll probably spend 1500 more on electric, but at least it's clean.

And who will pay for the costly conversion? And once they have you on the grid they have you by the balls another avenue to overcharge people.

Graces7

Greentopia wrote: »

Those damn hippy pensioners. They should be campaigning for a nuclear power station on that island!

God forbid anyone should have any unconventional ideas about taking control over their own lives. Notions eh?

No idea what your post is about! Trust me those thrifty folk are delighted at the free power! And are more sturdily independent than most.

I used to get a whole lorryload of peats straight off the field and ditched the oil heating. Would have loved a turbine.

Graces7

olestoepoke wrote: »

And who will pay for the costly conversion? And once they have you on the grid they have you by the balls another avenue to overcharge people.

Well said. VERY well said. these rich folk have no idea about real life... same on another thread I left as they were claiming pensioners all had massive amounts of cash under their mattresses :eek:

KildareP

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Efficient ?
Nuclear power plants have poor thermal efficiency due to low temperature limits and or needing heat exchangers.

Also nuclear isn't quick or cheap. By the time you get one approved and built renewables, energy storage, demand shedding and smart meter technologies will have advanced a generation.

Also nuclear means you have to go into large carbon debt during construction and mining of the initial charge. Wind turbines can be carbon neutral in as little as six months.

But you can directly swap a MW of fossil backed generation for a MW of nuclear which is a direct reduction in raw emissions per MW generated.

You can't do that with wind or solar.

Every MW generated by wind or solar still requires an equivalent MW of standby load for when the wind suddenly decides to stop blowing or the sun stops shining or you end up having to have forced rolling blackouts when demand outstrips supply.

As a result offloading XXX % of electricity generation to wind does not achieve anywhere close to an equivalent XXX % reduction in fuel consumption and hence carbon emissions.

So when they announce that 60% of our electricity was generated from renewables on XXX day, the gas turbines were still rotating and the oil/turf plants were still burning all that time and all that fuel they were using was simply being wasted because the wind turbines were energising the grid.

Whereas if you could switch out the current thermal plant heat source for nuclear and leave the gas turbine to do peaking loads, your wind is actually providing genuinely carbon free power without any fossil source running on standby and you've only carbon going into the atmosphere at peak load time.

nthclare

My sister in laws from Izhevsk, Google it!

I remember her first winter over here and she asked my brother about the box for keeping the house heated.

He said what box Cheslava?

Cheslava said in every house or apartment in Izhvesk there's a box for the heating.
He said ohhh the one with the on and off switch?
Bemused was he with his girlfriend now wife.

Nooo she said laughing, there's a box used for the heating it heats up all the water and rads.
Chuckling she said if she stays in Ireland she'll import the box, it cost basically near to nothing to work and it would cut the electricity bill down to maybe a hundredth of what you'd spend on one electric heater.

Id say an invention like that wouldn't go down well here, I know I know it could have been a mini reactor or something similar lol

No way would it be possible to have cheaper heating, cutting through all of the red tape etc

nthclare

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE WIND TURBINES ARE RUN ON DIESEL AND A HELL OF A LOT OF LUBRICANTS TO MAINTAIN THEM.

ITS A HUGE HOAX ABOUT THEM RUNNING ON WIND AS YOU'LL SEE THEM IN WEST CLARE RUNNING WHEN THERE'S NO WIND I MEAN THE BEACH IN DOUGHMORE AND THE MOUNTAIN LAKES WOULD BE LIKE GLASS AND THESE TURBINES RUNNING LIKE AN OFFICE FAN

HOLD ON THERE'S A KNOCK ON THE DOOR
TWO MEN IN BLACK OUTSIDE THE DOOR OPPS

IM IN TROUBLE LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG

Cordell

THEY ARE NOT TURBINES THEY ARE FANS TO KEEP THE SHEEPS COLD AND FLUFFY!!!!

nthclare

Cordell wrote: »

THEY ARE NOT TURBINES THEY ARE FANS TO KEEP THE SHEEPS COLD AND FLUFFY!!!!

Lol and help the Heather's to spread seed and help the biodiversity through wind power, they also enable the swallowss to find their bearings.

If you see a turbine slightly bent on one side, more than likely it collided with a UFO

Tony_Clifton

greta caught lying again yesterday.

posted a picture of herself sitting on the floor on an overcrowded train in Germany.
turns out she actually traveled first class on the train.

the whole thing is a cod, enjoy your fire coal gives off the best heat

mickuhaha

nthclare wrote: »

My sister in laws from Izhevsk, Google it!

I remember her first winter over here and she asked my brother about the box for keeping the house heated.

He said what box Cheslava?

Cheslava said in every house or apartment in Izhvesk there's a box for the heating.
He said ohhh the one with the on and off switch?
Bemused was he with his girlfriend now wife.

Nooo she said laughing, there's a box used for the heating it heats up all the water and rads.
Chuckling she said if she stays in Ireland she'll import the box, it cost basically near to nothing to work and it would cut the electricity bill down to maybe a hundredth of what you'd spend on one electric heater.

Id say an invention like that wouldn't go down well here, I know I know it could have been a mini reactor or something similar lol

No way would it be possible to have cheaper heating, cutting through all of the red tape etc

It's their version of a concrete stove.

X111111111111

nthclare wrote: »

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE WIND TURBINES ARE RUN ON DIESEL AND A HELL OF A LOT OF LUBRICANTS TO MAINTAIN THEM.

ITS A HUGE HOAX ABOUT THEM RUNNING ON WIND AS YOU'LL SEE THEM IN WEST CLARE RUNNING WHEN THERE'S NO WIND I MEAN THE BEACH IN DOUGHMORE AND THE MOUNTAIN LAKES WOULD BE LIKE GLASS AND THESE TURBINES RUNNING LIKE AN OFFICE FAN

HOLD ON THERE'S A KNOCK ON THE DOOR
TWO MEN IN BLACK OUTSIDE THE DOOR OPPS

IM IN TROUBLE LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG

You'll have to shout louder i can't hear you over my roaring coal fire.