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Trevor Deely case - new witness

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There was a previous lengthy thread on the case but it was locked for review and has yet to be reopened.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-witness-backs-up-gardas-theory-that-deely-killed-in-row-with-gang-38755889.html

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Coconut12

I’m with the theory he had a bad encounter with a local criminal gang operating in the area at the time.

smelly sock

Myself i would consider extremely unprofessional to go to my place of work intoxicated.

Executioner511

smelly sock wrote: »

The more you would think about it the lads going back to the office full of gargle is strange. Not getting in and heading off again and remebering nothing about MIB. People here can argue that it was run of the mill stuff but have you ever gone back to your office at 3 4 or 5 AM full of beer?? Hiwmany here have done it.

Regardless of that we cant even be sure about the time line. Time stamps on CCTV could be wrong or inaccurate.

Its a case full of possible explanations and mystery.

AGS seem to believe ot was a chance run in with a criminal gang operating in the area.

A chance run in with a crime gang???I doubt that what reason would they attack him and then dispose of his body we have already seen the so called strong credible evidence that he was buried in Lucan lead to nothing,probably some lowlife spinning yarns to get leniency.

eviltwin

smelly sock wrote: »

The more you would think about it the lads going back to the office full of gargle is strange. Not getting in and heading off again and remebering nothing about MIB. People here can argue that it was run of the mill stuff but have you ever gone back to your office at 3 4 or 5 AM full of beer?? Hiwmany here have done it.

Regardless of that we cant even be sure about the time line. Time stamps on CCTV could be wrong or inaccurate.

Its a case full of possible explanations and mystery.

AGS seem to believe ot was a chance run in with a criminal gang operating in the area.

I have. I work in a 24hr service, there are always people there. I've often gone in after a night out for a cuppa and some food.

tara73

smelly sock wrote: »

The more you would think about it the lads going back to the office full of gargle is strange. Not getting in and heading off again and remebering nothing about MIB. People here can argue that it was run of the mill stuff but have you ever gone back to your office at 3 4 or 5 AM full of beer?? Hiwmany here have done it.

that's what I'm saying! It's weird. And why go there if you know you can't get in anyway. No remembrance of the MIB even when getting aware your colleague is gone missing and possibly something bad happened to him just minutes after you were standing there with that man...completely weird!

odyssey06

smelly sock wrote: »

The more you would think about it the lads going back to the office full of gargle is strange. Not getting in and heading off again and remebering nothing about MIB. People here can argue that it was run of the mill stuff but have you ever gone back to your office at 3 4 or 5 AM full of beer?? Hiwmany here have done it.

I would personally find it strange, but it was a 24 hour office located close to Dublin nightlife - seems to have been a place people would drop into to pick up stuff after being in pub.
It didn't seem too remarkable (to other colleagues) that Trevor would drop in, get an umbrella, have a coffee etc before setting off home again.

In the case of the colleagues waiting outside at the gate, I think it was in the IT article they said they were waiting for another colleague who was picking up an overnight bag and was gonna crash on the colleagues couch - cos no taxis.

smelly sock

The more you would think about it the lads going back to the office full of gargle is strange. Not getting in and heading off again and remebering nothing about MIB. People here can argue that it was run of the mill stuff but have you ever gone back to your office at 3 4 or 5 AM full of beer?? Hiwmany here have done it.

Regardless of that we cant even be sure about the time line. Time stamps on CCTV could be wrong or inaccurate.

Its a case full of possible explanations and mystery.

AGS seem to believe ot was a chance run in with a criminal gang operating in the area.

MilitaryRoad

If we were to take TD completely out of the equation here for a minute and look at the behaviour of the characters floating around outside the bank at unsociable hours, and say TD never went missing. If we just look at the body language of the individuals in the CCTV, because that is the only evidence that can really be taken from that footage, they appear to be waiting for someone to come out of the bank. This is not how even stupid crims do surveillance on a bank or on any other property, standing at the gate looking straight in.

Fiftyfilthy

chicorytip wrote: »

In the wake of the Geoghan Quinn 1994 legislation there was a major crackdown by Gardai forcing most girls off the streets. It certainly was a lot more difficult to find sex for sale on the street in it's aftermath. Anybody living in or who was familiar with the Upper Mount St.,Herbert St, Wilton Place, Warrington Place, Upper Pembroke St and Fitzwilliam Square areas during the mid to late nineteen eighties would affirm this, I am sure.

Disagree strongly. Plenty of them around up until a couple of years ago

I’d say around 20 most nights

Still some around to this day

chicorytip

Coconut12 wrote: »

Street workers hadn’t ceased at that time in that area ! Google it

In the wake of the Geoghan Quinn 1994 legislation there was a major crackdown by Gardai forcing most girls off the streets. It certainly was a lot more difficult to find sex for sale on the street in it's aftermath. Anybody living in or who was familiar with the Upper Mount St.,Herbert St, Wilton Place, Warrington Place, Upper Pembroke St and Fitzwilliam Square areas during the mid to late nineteen eighties would affirm this, I am sure.

tara73

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Because the police ask the questions and determined 19 years ago the others should be eliminated from enquiries. It’s not the place of posters with no access to the full information to set aside police conclusions. These people are irrelevant to the TD disappearance.

I question whatever I want to question here. Are you the one to dictate here what people question? Don't think so, if at all it will be a mod!

And by the way, it's not called the 'police' in Ireland for a reason, it's called the guards.

Fiftyfilthy

sugarman wrote: »

Any links or quotes to that?

https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/home/499955/trevor-deely-s-dad-says-criminal-gang-murder-speculation-is-nonsense.html

smelly sock

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

I don’t wish to sound disrespectful but td’s father has said in the last 24hrs that any altercation with a gang is nonsense. They also don’t believe suicide either, so I wonder what they must think ?

Exactly.

oneilla

tara73 wrote: »

yes, and why is there only one still image available? there must be footage of what they did at the gate, when they arrived, did they talk to MIB, how they left. It's just: they were work colleagues-alright, no more questions from anybody. why not??
who released the footage anyway? the guards? media? unknown source? I have the feeling there's just one story shown to the public, this MIB, first at the pillar, than at the gate. If they are so sure the work colleagues have nothing to do with it, why showing just one eerie still pic with three people standing outside of the gate instead of just withholding that pic. It started all kind of unnecessary?) speculation (and still does for me).

The still of the colleagues appeared on kildarenow.com in 2017 and kicked off a lot of confusion.

[Deleted User]

sugarman wrote: »

Donal McIntyre / TV3 some how got hold of the full footage before the guards released it and showed in it their documentary.

I've never seen the TV3 documentary but according to the old thread it was terrible.

Full of inaccuracies.

Apparently they misidentified the two colleagues at the gate that were getting the gear bag.

They also had Trevor walking down Haddington Rd without the umbrella up.

And they also had him wearing a full suit, which he was not.

Fiftyfilthy

I don’t wish to sound disrespectful but td’s father has said in the last 24hrs that any altercation with a gang is nonsense. They also don’t believe suicide either, so I wonder what they must think ?

KWAG2019

tara73 wrote: »

yes, and why is there only one still image available? there must be footage of what they did at the gate, when they arrived, did they talk to MIB, how they left. It's just: they were work colleagues-alright, no more questions from anybody. why not?

Because the police ask the questions and determined 19 years ago the others should be eliminated from enquiries. It’s not the place of posters with no access to the full information to set aside police conclusions. These people are irrelevant to the TD disappearance.

tara73

sugarman wrote: »

I believe they were trying to get in themselves to collect their belongings but had no way in.

yes, and the last thing I would try to do, especially if I have no own keys and apparently no connection to the security guy to let me in, to walk to my work place at 4am after the christmas partyin in lashing rain, possibly quiet drunk, in the hope to collect 'my things'. what kind of things at all..?all you want to do normally is to head home in the shortest time and fall into your bed.

KWAG2019

Am I correct in saying that of those visible on CCTV 2 have not come forward? The MIB who is at the gate and follows him (according to AGS) at Haddington Road and the “scantily clad” woman also at Haddington Road.

tara73

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I also find it strange that the two work colleagues were literally standing beside MIB at the gate but as far as I know they’ve never given an account of the night and their memories of MIB - was anything said etc.

yes, and why is there only one still image available? there must be footage of what they did at the gate, when they arrived, did they talk to MIB, how they left. It's just: they were work colleagues-alright, no more questions from anybody. why not??
who released the footage anyway? the guards? media? unknown source? I have the feeling there's just one story shown to the public, this MIB, first at the pillar, than at the gate. If they are so sure the work colleagues have nothing to do with it, why showing just one eerie still pic with three people standing outside of the gate instead of just withholding that pic. It started all kind of unnecessary?) speculation (and still does for me).

smelly sock

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

It's seems cold case detectives on YouTube did an episode on Trevor only a couple of months ago. They seem to put a lot of credence into the bank target theory.

Pinch of salt. A lot of them are head bangers like leroy bluffins.

If TD was colluding with gangs to defraud BOI there would be evidence.

Flippyfloppy

It's seems cold case detectives on YouTube did an episode on Trevor only a couple of months ago. They seem to put a lot of credence into the bank target theory.

smelly sock

noodler wrote: »

Yeah, the area likely wasn't as quiet as the few isolated snippets weve seen would lead you to believe.

Thats the narrative a lot of people are operating on. Cold, dark, wet and isolated. An errie sort of setting. But it was more than likely busy enough with a fair amount of footfall in the area. Thats what makes it all the more puzzling. Also the cctv is so poor you can barely identify TD arriving at BOIAM. Nothing to go on really. It would be great to see some closure for the family.

AGS could do worse than publishing what sort of crime / business the witnesses were involved in. To me that could really help jog memories of other potential witnesses that they would have had dealings with in the area.

noodler

smelly sock wrote: »

And thats the cctv we have access too. Id guess if you were to look at it the hour before and after TD went missing you'd see a lot more foot traffic. The area would be busy enough.

Yeah, the area likely wasn't as quiet as the few isolated snippets weve seen would lead you to believe.

smelly sock

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Trevor passes lamppost at 04-14-25

30 secs later

Man passes lamppost at 04-14-55

28 secs later

Single female passes lamppost at 04-15-23

35 secs later

Couple passes lamppost at 04-15-58

And thats the cctv we have access too. Id guess if you were to look at it the hour before and after TD went missing you'd see a lot more foot traffic. The area would be busy enough.

noodler

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I also find it strange that the two work colleagues were literally standing beside MIB at the gate but as far as I know they’ve never given an account of the night and their memories of MIB - was anything said etc.

Course they gave an account.

The gardai said as much

Beechwoodspark

I also find it strange that the two work colleagues were literally standing beside MIB at the gate but as far as I know they’ve never given an account of the night and their memories of MIB - was anything said etc.

[Deleted User]

Coconut12 wrote: »

And it’s “a” clown and not “an”

Touch

Coconut12

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Purest sign of an clown on the internet.

Makes a statement and tells people to Google it if it needs to be clarified.

And it’s “a” clown and not “an”

MonkieSocks

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

Is there any footage of the scantily clad woman?

Trevor passes lamppost at 04-14-25

30 secs later

Man passes lamppost at 04-14-55

28 secs later

Single female passes lamppost at 04-15-23

35 secs later

Couple passes lamppost at 04-15-58