Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » You see posters of Trevor around town in December 2000. So you go to the Gardai with your information. Let's say you go to them a week after Trevor went missing Do you recall ever person you saw that night ? Do you recall ever person you talked to that night ? Do you recall who ever person you talked to was with that night ? Trevor's colleagues talked to MIB, yet they have zero recollection of anything significant about him.
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » There could have been thousands. It's December party season, there are loads of people on phones, people live and work in the area. First you have to take the two networks Eircell and Esat Digifone. Then you have to determine the range of their transmitters in the area, (some overlap) Then you have to look at each and every call, both incoming and outgoing on those transmitters that fit the time period. Then you have to chase up on each and every one of those numbers to eliminate people. And what do you do with the ones you have left that are pay as you go, burner as you call them ? Start cross referencing each and every one of them with other calls they made the same night/next day to find some sort of pattern ? It's an adult missing persons case remember, not an criminal case.
Fiftyfilthy wrote: » I wonder if they were even able to tell the Garda what they said to the mib?
20Wheel wrote: » Thats what databases are for. I don't think there would be many phones which connected at both exact times. Thousands that connected at time 1, thousands that connected at time 2. But very few at exactly both time 1 and 2. Hope they caught this back in 2000. I like to imagine they did. Some cute aul hoors in the gardai so live in hope.
smelly sock wrote: » On a related note you'd feel sorry for the other poor unfortunates who went missing without a trace and dont get any coverage.
Day Lewin wrote: » This for sure! There have been some odd ones as well as the more predictable kind (meaning no offense, truly) Alpho O Reilly? In his car, too... Eva Brennan?https://uccexpress.ie/unanswered-eva-brennan/ Their stories are as various as the missing themselves. But we can say, for sure, that their families will mourn and wonder in grief and longing, until they know what really happened to their loved one.
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » Mobile phone work on what are know as cells Phone connect to a cell to make calls, text etc A phone is only connected to one cell at a time but can move between cells if the phone is moving or if the cell technology decides that another cell is better than the one the phone is currently. Cells are usually geographical and may overlap So in Dublin 2 or Dublin 4 you may have a number of cells covering different geographical areas The task in hand is to determine what cells belonging to Eircell and Esat cover the outside of BOIAM. Once that is established get the details of all calls that either originated or terminated on those cells at or around Time A and Time B. That will be thousands Then trawl through them to determine if any happen at Time A and Time B, again could be thousands Then from that set go and try and identify the owners. The bill pay ones are fine, you can identify them. The pay as you go ones you might be only able to identify a subset of them that registered. And then you are left with a set of numbers that you cannot identify And thus you are left with MIB, who you cannot identify, which we know already. If people went to that amount of effort to trace the calls made by MIB they are no closer to identifying him.
20Wheel wrote: » Theres no need to trawl if a database is used. The computer will do the trawling. There won't be many numbers that correlate both exact times. Even if the best that can be done is to establish a dozen pay as you go phones, these phones may have records of numbers dialled and received. So you can build a picture of the social circle around the phone user. Perhaps one number which regularly calls is registered to a known person in the D2 vicinity. So number x associates with known person. There's no guarantee, but it's an avenue to look down. I can remember being on a course with a basic database module way back in 2000. And it was a rudimentary, fas type deal. So it's probably safe to assume that even back in 2000 business had a standard far surpassing basic databases. After all, every user had to be kept content when they picked up their phone and checked their credit. It would have to be accurate on rates, duration, time call made, number dialled, or you'd wake up one morning after topping up 30 and find you have 4.80 left. Because costs from five randomers calling priest chat last week were attributed to your account. And esat/eircom would probably have to have had the facilities to check balances against complaints from people saying 'I never used my phone and my credits gone'. So the means to quickly trawl calls made with databases would likely have been there. The tax man would probably require it too. So you couldn't say oh we connected 3 calls this quarter and made a gross profit of 20 cent. Nope, record those business transactions. Prove your turnover.
smelly sock wrote: » Probably nothing of note you would assume.
dubstarr wrote: » How likely is all your scenerios or how likely is mone.Statistically the last person to see someone alive is the person that doen the crime. Plus how could you not realise the person you where talking to,in now missing. And the amount of coverage the case got,you would have to be on Mars or under a rock.
Dwarf.Shortage wrote: » This is a non statement in a murder case, unless there's lads going around murdering people with their eyes closed.
dubstarr wrote: » Well until the MIB comes forward,he was the last one to see him as far as we know.
Fiftyfilthy wrote: » Still think any communication should be released in the media between them no matter how innocuous
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » To what end ? Did the colleagues even recall talking to him. Did they even recall what they said. Remember Trevor was reported missing Monday afternoon. So CCTV of MIB would at best be looked at Tuesday morning. The guys talked to MIB 3am Friday morning. So it was over 4 days later that they would have been asked,cat the very earliest. Plus they had been drinking. I doubt they remembered anything about the conversation.
Dwarf.Shortage wrote: » My point is we don't know it's a murder case. If it is yeah of course MIB is in the frame, but we don't know that Trevor didn't end up in the Dodder. First time I read about this case I thought I was dreaming. I went to the same school as Trevor, I was the same age as he was when he disappeared, I was working for BOI and was living in an apartment in Cannon Mews which is just off Haddington Road. Couldn't tell you how many times I'd walked that very route out from town with jars aboard, used to meet the odd brazzer near lad lane but never seen one on Baggot or Haddington. Such a tragic mystery.
20Wheel wrote: » Database. You enter a search enquiry in the database to cross reference calls made at 3:01 and 3:35 (or whatever the times were). 3:01... You get probably high hundreds. 3:35... Again hundreds. On both lists at 3:01 and 3:35... Laws of probability say you're not getting many. The computer will do the searching. An industrial quality one even in 2000 would make short work of such an enquiry. (I could probably design such a search in a spreadsheet from my chair. Not hard at all. An actual IT engineer would barely even have to try) And if there were records associated with the resulting numbers you can probably prioritise them quite quickly. Like if you've one number dialling a known local characters number regularly, maybe put that higher up than the one that calls Bray bingo Hall. If they were willing to have a team dig up chapelizod over the course of days 19 years later, and if they were willing to send CCTV footage to UK experts, then I wouldn't be too quick to rule out they might have got a few detectives to call in to the telecoms companies at some point over the years, and with the authority. I mean, if it occurred to a randomer on a chat forum...
smelly sock wrote: » And just to add the original VHS CCTV was practically useless in terms of identifying anyone. The only way Trevor was really ID,d was by the umbrella.
Fiftyfilthy wrote: » I disagree. My memory is very sharp in general , even with a few pints If my friend went missing and i was asked a few days later or a few weeks later, I’d either remember entirely the chat or most of it at leastOh yeah, there was a shifter standing at the gates and he made small talk by saying ... Garda could release the type of chat the guy initiated and it might jog someone else’s memory. Oh yes I remember a week before etc being approached by a guy similar in that area and he initiated the same conversation That’s all it takes sometimes to get new information As you say, they could just have been so drunk they couldn’t remember anything , not a thing. Shame then
Fiftyfilthy wrote: » The guy doesn’t need to be identified from the cctv regarding this approach. I’m talking about the conversation, no matter how trivial it was. The small talk could be the same he has used on others in that area ( if he is in fact potentially dodgy that some are assuming ) My point is, it’s easy to dismiss alternative lines but all lines of enquiries should be looked into. Unless there really is a new credible witness or a different approach taken, this case will never be solved
dubstarr wrote: » Which is why teh MIB is so important.Hes the missing link.If he came forward he could be discounted.Maybe he say something and doesnt realise its important. I will say it again.Someone somewhere has that little nugget of information that would blow the case wide open.
smelly sock wrote: » Doubt if the work mates didnt find this guy remarkable in any way its because he wasnt.
tdf7187 wrote: » Seriously? You find nothing odd about his behaviour?
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