boggerman1 wrote: » So Fran mcnulty is on the news saying Larry is throwing a few cents from Monday. No doubt the ifa will claim credit for this after there stunt yesterday and today
wrangler wrote: » I'd be disappointed if they disband for 5 or 10c/kg like mc nulty claimed they would
Jjameson wrote: » Would there be a chance of a group deal on a kevin the Carrot?
ruwithme wrote: » Russell sprout is the sought after this Christmas.
Theheff wrote: » Has anyone wondered why IFA have started to show an interest towards the beef farmer. Election time of course. They are like politicians we only see them when they want a vote. Bit suspicious also with Larry Goodman promising a 5 cent increase. Its going take a great president to get the faith back into the IFA is my opinion as its in bad place at present.
downtown3858 wrote: » If the protests hadn’t of taken place beef would be well tighten up now and any man with cattle to sell would have the power over the factories. In my view beef would be 3.70-3.80 at min them protests hadn’t of taken place at its worst! It destroyed the store trade for men selling stores also. A lot of farmers couldn’t get cattle killed so had no money or no space or no confidence to buy cattle. Protest was a disaster all round and anyone thinking otherwise is deluded.
bogman_bass wrote: » If the past few months have thought us anything it’s that aiming to finish bang on 30 months is a risky game. If you have cattle ready at 28 it’s gives you flexibility to market as you want and if a shock to the market comes you have a bit of breathing space. Lads complain about the power the 30 month rule gives the factories but it’s entirely within your power to take that away from the factory.
Goeasy123 wrote: » Couldn't agree more. With carcass weight limitations if people are doing a decent job with live weight gain then they should be targeting 24-28 months no bother. 20-24 months with heifers should be the norm. If someone wants a store period it should really be the 2nd winter & target off grass in June July. Realise genetics have an effect here too but if some AA or HE in the mix then age shouldn't be a factor.
Jjameson wrote: » With a meal bag? And imported soya and maizemeal.
bogman_bass wrote: » No. It’s handy done. Good silage needed though. I’m killing mine at 27 months on average on less then 100kg meal. I’m not doing anything fancy
Jjameson wrote: » How would that work out last year on good dry land Bass! But all this is inconsequential in any case given that there is no scientific basis for cutting the price of an animal at the stroke of midnight on its 30 month birthday. And what makes it interesting is Lidl’s admission that it’s all coming to them at the same rate. I It’s become a market control measure by processors on farmers.
amacca wrote: » With calf to beef using bought in dairy crosses on milk replacer I have not found that to be true at all especially if they are bought anyway late (say may/june).....unless you are absolutely pumping them from birth with concentrates and then its simply not worth it that 30 month rule is a **** as far as I'm concerned and needs to go, theres **** all reason for it and i could finish extensively off grass with a minimum of concentrates if it was got rid of and it should be got rid of for numerous reasons.
Jjameson wrote: » I’ve done heifers on grass, heifers on meal and grass, on silage and meal,heifers on ad lib meal, cows on grass, cows on meal and grass, Bullocks on grass, on grass and meal, on ad lib meal, on silage and meal and each have their merits but the biggest problem to getting any kind of twist is that I have to compete against farmers to buy but have to sell to a Unregulated cartel. And I’m a humble man with 3 houses 2 cars and 3 mistresses to keep. I don’t know how a high flier can get by.
patsy_mccabe wrote: » Do you not realise that if the 30 month rule was abolished, everyone else would do excactly just that. There would be a mad glut of cattle coming off grass at the end of the year and no factory willing to take them. It was like this years ago, but people seem to have poor memories. Be careful what you wish for. No matter what you do, you will create a knock on effect somewhere else.
Robson99 wrote: » Would you be happy if there was no protest and beef had bottomed out at 3.00 or 3.20 a kilo ? And do you seriously think it would have jumped up to 3.80 a kg from there...deluded ????
Jjjack77 wrote: » Why didn’t the factory’s pull beef price back to 3.00 last spring, it was very hard get cattle killed, but they left the price at 3.75. They could of quoted anything they liked and still being full up of cattle?
Bass Reeves wrote: » What did they do to bulls or do you remember.
Bass Reeves wrote: » IFA has backed itself into a corner now. If we do not see a rise in price of 20+c/kg by there actions it will seem as if they were jumping on the band wagon to claim the credit. What is really coming across now is that BP is starting to be a force and IFA is reacting to there actions. What is frightening for IFA is that it seems unable to activate ordinary members like BP is doing. Another fact is coming to the fore. We can now see clearly that processors would have continued to drop beef prices from mid July on if BP had not acted. Irish price dropping was pulling the who UK market down. Without BP's actions where would the price have bottomed out 3.2/kg or lower. This would have dragged UK beef prices down to where we are now. If you look back when the second strike was in place Dutch bull beef rose from 3/kg to 3.4/kg. At present it is at 3.08/kg according to the FJ's international beef prices. Polish beef prices rose at the time as well and are back to 3/kg now as well. If the beef plan protests had not taken place we would be lucky to be hitting 3.5/kg now as processors would have kept a lid on prices just like they are doing now.
