Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

Tomorrow's Munster Club Junior Hurling final between St Mary's and Russel Rovers (Cork) has been moved to Fraher Field with a 12pm throw in

A team like this could do damage but obv way to early to judge and this is done pure on reputation

Soky
S McNulty
C Prunty
K Bennett
C Lyons
Aussie
Philip Mahoney
J Barron
C Gleeson
D Hutchinson
Pauric Mahoney
J Prendergast
T Ryan
P Curren
Stephen Bennett

Mastermcgrath

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

That's disappointing and the second year he's opted out so I guess his heart isn't in it. Best of luck to him. Always gave 100% on the field for his county when he played.

We don’t know his reasons but getting flogged like a knackers horse for 3 years under Derek McGrath in the very stage of his career where he should have been protected can’t have helped his desire for it. My genuine concern during the McGrath era was that development our best young forwards was being cast aside for a bastardised brand of hurling and looking at some of them now I don’t think we were wrong,

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Shane Bennett has opted out of the panel 2020. It seems The 3 Bennetts were called for county training 2 nights after Ballysaggart Munster final loss, and while Stephen and Kieran went, Shane didn’t and has since told Cahill he dosent want to be involved.

Disappointing hopefully if we are doing well he might reconsider.

Cant wait for the new season, could be a great season if Cahill reaches his potential as manager and the players buy into it

tommylad1212 wrote: »

The clubs and players are to blame for alot of it, getting matches called off for 21st birthdays, holidays, stag weekends , every excuse under the sun, look how long it took the senior football championship to finish, two teams held it up for weeks, couldn't make the draw for the next round, inter hurling lge final was never played, Waterford junior lge you get your fixtures you play them end of story

Agree with this, get your league fixtures in January and that’s it play them away

tommylad1212

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I like the 8 team league suggestion. To be honest, it's harder for all teams to compete on a level playing field even moreso for the league so narrowing down the numbers in each league and increasing its competitiveness is a good idea and hopefully it's adopted.

As has been mentioned here at length, the league's need a revamp badly in Waterford.

The clubs and players are to blame for alot of it, getting matches called off for 21st birthdays, holidays, stag weekends , every excuse under the sun, look how long it took the senior football championship to finish, two teams held it up for weeks, couldn't make the draw for the next round, inter hurling lge final was never played, Waterford junior lge you get your fixtures you play them end of story

mountgomery burns

I like the 8 team league suggestion. To be honest, it's harder for all teams to compete on a level playing field even moreso for the league so narrowing down the numbers in each league and increasing its competitiveness is a good idea and hopefully it's adopted.

As has been mentioned here at length, the league's need a revamp badly in Waterford.

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Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Shane Bennett has opted out of the panel 2020. It seems The 3 Bennetts were called for county training 2 nights after Ballysaggart Munster final loss, and while Stephen and Kieran went, Shane didn’t and has since told Cahill he dosent want to be involved.

That's disappointing and the second year he's opted out so I guess his heart isn't in it. Best of luck to him. Always gave 100% on the field for his county when he played.

Mastermcgrath

Shane Bennett has opted out of the panel 2020. It seems The 3 Bennetts were called for county training 2 nights after Ballysaggart Munster final loss, and while Stephen and Kieran went, Shane didn’t and has since told Cahill he dosent want to be involved.

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upthedeise16 wrote: »

Club season tickets €150 this year, that an increase?

What exactly is this? I presume it covers all hurling and football club games for 2020?
The hurling season ticket for intercounty with all club hurling games included is only €200 so unless you're big into football, that €150 ticket is a rip off?

upthedeise16

Club season tickets €150 this year, that an increase?

Giveitfong

Many - if not most - other counties have been running well-organised multi-division leagues for decades. Is it beyond the County Board to do a survey of these other counties and come up with an appropriate structure for Waterford, rather than just making it up as they go along? Waterford is really in the dark ages in terms of providing bread-and-butter competitive games for its club players.

emergingstar wrote: »

That's true buts that's up to Croke Park to change, the board ned to set competitions into whatever space they have for clubs

Turns out that the majority of counties don't play Championship games in April regardless - Waterford is one of the few who do.

We can organise our own competitions starting in March/April and Championship commencing in late summer regardless as every county bar 2 is finished up at the end of July in any event.

hardybuck wrote: »

Idea is sound. I've played in a similar structure outside Waterford and played roughly 25-30 competitive games in a season in one code - players absolutely love it. League groups were much bigger and operated without home and away. The Saturday night games start after the clocks change and they're great social occasions in the clubs. Supporters turn up and get in and around the club, players go for a couple of pints afterwards.

The issue I'd have is starting in February and the pause in April.

'April for Clubs' is a farce. County players are parachuted into teams last minute. Club players have to do two pre-seasons - one for the championship games in April and a second whenever championship starts again. The county teams the same. Flying after the league, asked to stop everything for a month and then go back into more pre-season type championship prep afterwards - absolute nonsense.

We'd be far better off with playing the intercounty games through April, and starting club leagues in March or April without those guys. Let the All Ireland finals take place at the end of July, and let the club championships start in July or August.

This would be fairer on all players, club and county, and give more defined seasons for both. Currently a huge proportion of county players are togging 12 months of the year and club players about 10. There's far too much running around cones under lights in slop and there's really no need for it.

I'm sure a more condensed season starting in spring might reduce costs for clubs also.

That's true buts that's up to Croke Park to change, the board ned to set competitions into whatever space they have for clubs

thesultan wrote: »

There is a motion in to have a senior Eastern and Western leagues..

But also a motion to do away with them and replace existing all county leagues with Divisional Championships - I really don't understand the thinking there.

The same club wants minor to go back to U18 - I also don't understand the thinking there or how it could possibly work unless the intercounty competitions go the same way first.

Modeligo also have a poor motion in that they want a divisional hurling league but not football. Fair enough if Ballygunner bring that motion, but Modeligo were in the county intermediate final this year.

upthedeise16 wrote: »

The county league fixtures should be set in January and started in February, playing every 2nd week hurling and football.
The times should be the same every weekend, maybe 6:30 on a Saturday evening if teams have lights or earlier if they don’t or Sunday morning.

Take a break for April when there will more than likely be championship.

Groups of 6 would be ideal so 10 matches would be played between February and June. Play the semi-finals and final in July then. It’s surely common sense?

And if all goes well, have relegation and promotion be introduced and you could have intermediate teams playing Division 1/2 if they’re good enough which is possible when senior teams play without county players.

Imagine a club player having 10 guaranteed 10 matches like every other county???

Idea is sound. I've played in a similar structure outside Waterford and played roughly 25-30 competitive games in a season in one code - players absolutely love it. League groups were much bigger and operated without home and away. The Saturday night games start after the clocks change and they're great social occasions in the clubs. Supporters turn up and get in and around the club, players go for a couple of pints afterwards.

The issue I'd have is starting in February and the pause in April.

'April for Clubs' is a farce. County players are parachuted into teams last minute. Club players have to do two pre-seasons - one for the championship games in April and a second whenever championship starts again. The county teams the same. Flying after the league, asked to stop everything for a month and then go back into more pre-season type championship prep afterwards - absolute nonsense.

We'd be far better off with playing the intercounty games through April, and starting club leagues in March or April without those guys. Let the All Ireland finals take place at the end of July, and let the club championships start in July or August.

This would be fairer on all players, club and county, and give more defined seasons for both. Currently a huge proportion of county players are togging 12 months of the year and club players about 10. There's far too much running around cones under lights in slop and there's really no need for it.

I'm sure a more condensed season starting in spring might reduce costs for clubs also.

thesultan

There is a motion in to have a senior Eastern and Western leagues..

upthedeise16 wrote: »

The county league fixtures should be set in January and started in February, playing every 2nd week hurling and football.
The times should be the same every weekend, maybe 6:30 on a Saturday evening if teams have lights or earlier if they don’t or Sunday morning.

Take a break for April when there will more than likely be championship.

Groups of 6 would be ideal so 10 matches would be played between February and June. Play the semi-finals and final in July then. It’s surely common sense?

And if all goes well, have relegation and promotion be introduced and you could have intermediate teams playing Division 1/2 if they’re good enough which is possible when senior teams play without county players.

Imagine a club player having 10 guaranteed 10 matches like every other county???

This actually sounds ideal, players would love it

upthedeise16

emergingstar wrote: »

Interesting, surely the all county league from Feb to July is a no brainer

The county league fixtures should be set in January and started in February, playing every 2nd week hurling and football.
The times should be the same every weekend, maybe 6:30 on a Saturday evening if teams have lights or earlier if they don’t or Sunday morning.

Take a break for April when there will more than likely be championship.

Groups of 6 would be ideal so 10 matches would be played between February and June. Play the semi-finals and final in July then. It’s surely common sense?

And if all goes well, have relegation and promotion be introduced and you could have intermediate teams playing Division 1/2 if they’re good enough which is possible when senior teams play without county players.

Imagine a club player having 10 guaranteed 10 matches like every other county???

upthedeise16

emergingstar wrote: »

Interesting, surely the all county league from Feb to July is a no brainer

Interesting, surely the all county league from Feb to July is a no brainer

willbeuptuesday

Some interesting motions being put forward for the convention.

KevIRL wrote: »

Its not a job though

Ah it is and its not

KevIRL

PTH2009 wrote: »

Part and parcel of the job esp with the new congested playing calendar. They will probably get a few deserved days off over the holidays

Its not a job though

conor05

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Thanks. I was thinking I saw that somewhere but all our fixtures were in the media yesterday and it’s still down as the 20th.

http://www.munster-express.ie/sports/gaa-football/waterford-fixtures-2020/

“
Liam Cahill’s Waterford senior hurlers, who are back in training with a number of weeks, will have their first competitive outing before Christmas when they welcome Cork to Fraher Field on Friday December 20 in the Munster League, the game having a 7-30pm start.
Waterford’s second game in the competition is away to Kerry in Tralee on January 5.
The winner of the group involving these three teams will play the winner of the group involving Tipperary, Limerick and Clare in the final.”

Will go to the Kerry game in Tralee. The Cork game a bit close to Chrimbo.

Good chance for Cahill to have a proper look at lads in a match environment

Mastermcgrath

hardybuck wrote: »

It's actually not that congested at all.

Last year Waterford started the league on Jan 27th, and the Championship on May 12th. They played ten games and were done on June 9th.

Without opening up the fixtures debate again, the 'April for clubs' thing is an absolute farce the more I think of it. Play two club games in April and postpone the rest until whenever Waterford are knocked out. And intercounty managers will keep training during the month regardless - to do otherwise in the middle of their season is madness.

They'd be better playing the intercounty fixtures straight through and finish at the end of July.

That would give ample time for clubs to start league games in April and gear up for a championship that kicks off in August.

Don’t get me started on the fixtures calendar. Must be an awful crowd of numptys in the GAA making thee decisions. How in Gods name is there intercounty games happening this side of Christmas? Was there not a blanket ban on intercounty games in November December a few years ago, so what’s changed they’ve just decided they were wrong and that welfare is not important now again?

Totally agree with you, Scrap these bollox competitions. Intercounty competitions league and championship from February to July and just let club championships commence when a teams intercounty season is over. free up the remainder of the calendar year for club championships and have the AI club championships wrapped up before Christmas. Free January up for college competitions which are important too and let that be the intercounty ‘pre-season’ for challenge games or Mickey mouse tournaments if the status quo are so adamant about keeping them alive

It’s easy be critical of our own co board and I tend to be on many issues, but the way the intercounty fixtures calendar is set up it must be impossible to accommodate Everyone and everything

PTH2009 wrote: »

Part and parcel of the job esp with the new congested playing calendar. They will probably get a few deserved days off over the holidays

It's actually not that congested at all.

Last year Waterford started the league on Jan 27th, and the Championship on May 12th. They played ten games and were done on June 9th.

Without opening up the fixtures debate again, the 'April for clubs' thing is an absolute farce the more I think of it. Play two club games in April and postpone the rest until whenever Waterford are knocked out. And intercounty managers will keep training during the month regardless - to do otherwise in the middle of their season is madness.

They'd be better playing the intercounty fixtures straight through and finish at the end of July.

That would give ample time for clubs to start league games in April and gear up for a championship that kicks off in August.

hardybuck wrote: »

Players must be absolutely sickened playing games so close to Christmas.

Part and parcel of the job esp with the new congested playing calendar. They will probably get a few deserved days off over the holidays