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Trevor Deely case - new witness

tdf7187

There was a previous lengthy thread on the case but it was locked for review and has yet to be reopened.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/new-witness-backs-up-gardas-theory-that-deely-killed-in-row-with-gang-38755889.html

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Asitis2019

tdf7187 wrote: »

See, some of these things you're saying are just incorrect. He wasn't followed by a couple and then a girl.

You're one of those Youtube bloggers that looks into cases - and that's cool, nothing wrong with that - but get the facts right, dude.

My point is that there were people around who would have likely witnessed an altercation, and that within a few minutes of his passing that camera, others passed too.

tdf7187

Asitis2019 wrote: »

It was the Christmas Party season. people were out and about that night, even though it was bad. More people on the street because of the taxi issue. If there was an altercation, there would be an evidence trail. He was followed by a couple and then a girl, and then god knows who.

That is why I think we was bundled into a car.

See, some of these things you're saying are just incorrect. He wasn't followed by a couple and then a girl.

You're one of those Youtube bloggers that looks into cases - and that's cool, nothing wrong with that - but get the facts right, dude.

Asitis2019

tdf7187 wrote: »

Such naivety.

It was the Christmas Party season. people were out and about that night, even though it was bad. More people on the street because of the taxi issue. If there was an altercation, there would be an evidence trail. He was followed by a couple and then a girl, and then god knows who.

That is why I think we was bundled into a car.

donkeykong5

Very sad seeing this guys missing posters every Christmas. It's so long now that he's missing. I really hope and pray that someday his family will get the peace they need and deserve.

KWAG2019

Asitis2019 wrote: »

Very sad case. My thoughts

I think he was targeted by a gang that night, and I reckon that it was an opportunistic hit. I would surmise that it started at the gates of BOI asset management - I think he was followed, and bundled into a car shortly after he steps out of the photo frame. Maybe he was offered a lift, but I doubt he would have accepted. My guess is the guy following him was carrying a weapon, and he was forced into the car. I don't know why - maybe they wanted him to launder money, or whatever, but I would say he fought back and was killed in a struggle. If he was killed in a mugging or an altercation in the street, then there would be witnesses, and an evidence trail. That is why I think he was abducted.

People have speculated about why he took an indirect route home given the inclement weather. There are two very good possibilities. One is that he was hungry and decided to stop of at a shop or chipper. The second is that he felt he was being followed, and decided to take an indirect route.

He was in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

I suggest that most of this belongs in creative writing rather than here.

smelly sock

Asitis2019 wrote: »

I agree, but I don't think there was a run in. No evidence of that

If there was an altercation, somebody would have saw something, and it would have come out by now.

And zero evidence to suggest this was in anyway premeditated or planned. Evidence backing up that theory would have been easily uncovered.

Wrong place wrong time and a chance encounter would leave literally no trace or evidence compared to something planned by organised criminals to try a coerce trevor into commiting a fraud etc.

Asitis2019

smelly sock wrote: »

Id agree. Yeh maybe he went a different route because he wanted chips. But didnt turn down an arguably darker route with less foot fall because he was being followed. This area was a renowned red light district and still is. Whats more likely is he had a run in with some shadey sorts around there.

I agree, but I don't think there was a run in. No evidence of that

If there was an altercation, somebody would have saw something, and it would have come out by now.

tdf7187

noodler wrote: »

I think the BoI assets management link is mental tbh.

They saw a potential employee leave a bank pissed at 4am in the rain on a Friday night and made a hopeful punt he'd somehow be able to be coerced into doing their bidding when he's back in work on Monday morning?

I doubt his place of work had anything to do with this.

God I wish he'd fallen asleep at his desk.

Completely agree. The theories about Trevor getting assassinated due to something to do with his job are a bit off the wall.

He either fell into the canal, or he got in a row with a criminal that ended badly are the more likely theories IMO.

Asitis2019

noodler wrote: »

I think the BoI assets management link is mental tbh.

They saw a potential employee leave a bank pissed at 4am in the rain on a Friday night and made a hopeful punt he'd somehow be able to be coerced into doing their bidding when he's back in work on Monday morning?

I doubt his place of work had anything to do with this.

God I wish he'd fallen asleep at his desk.

The only BOI link is the location. My point is he was targeted from this point onwards, for whatever reason.

noodler

chicorytip wrote: »

Street prostitution in Dublin had died out completely by the year 2000 in the aftermath of Maire Geoghan Quinn's draconian legislation penalising the offence. Seems she regarded Homosexuals as cool but Hookers as filth.

I'm not entirely sure why you think it's a bad thing tbh.

It's not a profession to be encouraged.

smelly sock

chicorytip wrote: »

Street prostitution in Dublin had died out completely by the year 2000 in the aftermath of Maire Geoghan Quinn's draconian legislation penalising the offence. Seems she regarded Homosexuals as cool but Hookers as filth.

No it hadnt. It was rife around there and its still alive there today by all accounts. Anyone with any knowledge / time spent in the area wpuld have seen signs of it.

chicorytip

Street prostitution in Dublin had died out completely by the year 2000 in the aftermath of Maire Geoghan Quinn's draconian legislation penalising the offence. Seems she regarded Homosexuals as cool but Hookers as filth.

smelly sock

noodler wrote: »

I think the BoI assets management link is mental tbh.

They saw a potential employee leave a bank pissed at 4am in the rain on a Friday night and made a hopeful punt he'd somehow be able to be coerced into doing their bidding when he's back in work on Monday morning?

I doubt his place of work had anything to do with this.

God I wish he'd fallen asleep at his desk.

Id agree. Yeh maybe he went a different route because he wanted chips. But didnt turn down an arguably darker route with less foot fall because he was being followed. This area was a renowned red light district and still is. Whats more likely is he had a run in with some shadey sorts around there.

tdf7187

dubstarr wrote: »

Was the Bank he worked at,on his way home from where he was that night

If he was in a nightclub on Leeson St, and his employer was BOIAM, and he lived in Serpentine Ave, then yes.

dubstarr

Was the Bank he worked at,on his way home from where he was that night

noodler

Asitis2019 wrote: »

Very sad case. My thoughts

I think he was targeted by a gang that night, and I reckon that it was an opportunistic hit. I would surmise that it started at the gates of BOI asset management - I think he was followed, and bundled into a car shortly after he steps out of the photo frame. Maybe he was offered a lift, but I doubt he would have accepted. My guess is the guy following him was carrying a weapon, and he was forced into the car. I don't know why - maybe they wanted him to launder money, or whatever, but I would say he fought back and was killed in a struggle. If he was killed in a mugging or an altercation in the street, then there would be witnesses, and an evidence trail. That is why I think he was abducted.

People have speculated about why he took an indirect route home given the inclement weather. There are two very good possibilities. One is that he was hungry and decided to stop of at a shop or chipper. The second is that he felt he was being followed, and decided to take an indirect route.

He was in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

I think the BoI assets management link is mental tbh.

They saw a potential employee leave a bank pissed at 4am in the rain on a Friday night and made a hopeful punt he'd somehow be able to be coerced into doing their bidding when he's back in work on Monday morning?

I doubt his place of work had anything to do with this.

God I wish he'd fallen asleep at his desk.

tdf7187

KWAG2019 wrote: »

I assumed that. Just offering that link for thought.

Message received and understood. Everything I've said in the thread is completely true. I'll save the rest for the memoirs.

KWAG2019

tdf7187 wrote: »

Cool the jets, pal. I'm not a cop.

I assumed that. Just offering that link for thought.

tdf7187

KWAG2019 wrote: »

I think most adults here would know this already. There is a problem if police have issued a claim of significant witness and cannot back it up. They lose credibility.

If one was of a mind to then Page 10 of the following offers some food for thought:
https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/publications/policy-documents/code-of-ethics-english-1-5-18.pdf

Cool the jets, pal. I'm not a cop.

Asitis2019

Very sad case. My thoughts

I think he was targeted by a gang that night, and I reckon that it was an opportunistic hit. I would surmise that it started at the gates of BOI asset management - I think he was followed, and bundled into a car shortly after he steps out of the photo frame. Maybe he was offered a lift, but I doubt he would have accepted. My guess is the guy following him was carrying a weapon, and he was forced into the car. I don't know why - maybe they wanted him to launder money, or whatever, but I would say he fought back and was killed in a struggle. If he was killed in a mugging or an altercation in the street, then there would be witnesses, and an evidence trail. That is why I think he was abducted.

People have speculated about why he took an indirect route home given the inclement weather. There are two very good possibilities. One is that he was hungry and decided to stop of at a shop or chipper. The second is that he felt he was being followed, and decided to take an indirect route.

He was in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

KWAG2019

tdf7187 wrote: »

Ok, let me make a few points, and I don't mean to be offensive.

(1) Not everything in the media is true.

(2) Cops use media sources to get info out, sometimes for ethically and procedurally valid reasons, sometimes for corrupt reasons.

(3) It is quite right, in my view, that cops sometimes use media to put bait out. Think of it as a fisherman that uses different types of bait to nab a big fish. That's the nature of the beast.

(4) Cops do not always agree on cases, in a detective team there will be internal debate and disagreement. I have direct knowledge of cases like that, not this specific case. I'm talking about corrupt politicians and things of that nature, some of 'em household names, kapiche?

(5) Who precisely - and I'm intrigued by this - would get the papers 'in big trouble' for 'making such stuff up'?

(6) I don't have inside knowledge on this case, and if I did I wouldn't put it on here, but really and truly, at the age of 46, welcome to the really real world. As I said, no personal offence intended.

I think most adults here would know this already. There is a problem if police have issued a claim of significant witness and cannot back it up. They lose credibility.

If one was of a mind to then Page 10 of the following offers some food for thought:
https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/publications/policy-documents/code-of-ethics-english-1-5-18.pdf

[Deleted User]

tdf7187 wrote: »

Yeah. Wasn't the most direct route as the crow flies, but wasn't far off it.

Of course the CCTV footage that has been released may only be portion of what the cops have.

I doubt they would be holding any back.

The Haddington Rd CCTV was found by the family, not AGS, in early January, it was almost erased.

If you think about it in the year 2000 any CCTV would likely have been VHS that was recorded over on a daily, weekly or monthly basis.
The earliest the Gardai started looking at CCTV would have been Monday evening, and they were looking for stuff from the previous Thursday night/Friday morning.
A lot of that might have already been overwritten.
Plus they would have started looking in the obvious places that a guy would have walked home from Wilton Tce, south down Lesson St or south down Baggot St.
And from what we know now he does not appear to have walked that way.

starbaby2003

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Maybe the weather wasn’t as bad as forecast ?

TD called into his office before embarking home. He collected an umbrella.

Also beerjacket

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m only going on the Irish times report which include the weather forecast for that night

Maybe the weather wasn’t as bad as forecast ?

TD called into his office before embarking home. He collected an umbrella.

Beechwoodspark

smelly sock wrote: »

Ye know ill challenge this. I remember the night and it was cold and wet. Nothing out of the ordinary though. Some posters and media would have you believe it was a hurricane which it wasnt. Anyway neither here nor there i suppose.

I’m only going on the Irish times report which include the weather forecast for that night

wakka12

suicide_circus wrote: »

random murder is rare. very rare. if as is being suggested, Trevor fell foul of a criminal gang, its difficult to avoid the idea that he was having some type of interaction with them. the area was notorious for prostitution and that trade goes hand in hand with orgabised crime, drugs etc.

Yeh but sometimes it just happens. Remember that fillipino girl that was abducted last year? If a witness hadnt seen her being loaded into the car, who knows , maybe she'd just be like Trevor,gone without a trace and people saying it's an outlandish theory that she was just murdered on the spot by a complete randomer

starbaby2003

How come the suspect is named in other threads but not on here ?

tdf7187

NoeldeBournaix wrote: »

This is an episode of 'O'Gorman's People' from 1999 for anyone who would like to know a bit more about the area around that time.
Its based around the Spar shop on Baggot Street which he says was 24hr, and talks to various characters.

https://youtu.be/z_h_lmYprI4

Please do not inflict Paddy O'Gorman on us ever again. I'm literally begging you.

smelly sock

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Was a pretty rough night weather wise. Lashing Rain and windy

Ye know ill challenge this. I remember the night and it was cold and wet. Nothing out of the ordinary though. Some posters and media would have you believe it was a hurricane which it wasnt. Anyway neither here nor there i suppose.

Beechwoodspark

starbaby2003 wrote: »

I’m not sure he would have taken one. It’s not a particularly long walk. I used to live there and would rarely get a taxi home. This was when you would be queuing 60 mins plus for a taxi, longer than the walk home.

Was a pretty rough night weather wise. Lashing Rain and windy