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Marvel's Black Widow

  • 23-07-2019 10:12am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭


    The Black Widow teaser trailer is due to be released next week as a bonus feature on the Endgame release on Digital and Blu Ray.

    The trailer was shown in a behind closed doors screening at Comic Con.

    Filming started a few weeks ago.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Hoping that this will be completely stand alone, send off for Scarlett and it doesn't involve bringing her back from the dead for future installments.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Honestly, this is probably the first Marvel movie I have zero interest in. Maybe there's been a longstanding burning need from audiences to get a backstory but I just never went there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    A few minutes introduction of the cast from San Diego Comic Con 2019



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Feels like this film is coming out about 5 years too late; and just on a personal level I find it hard to invest myself in stories after I've seen the character die. Prefer to just move on than wedge in prequels.

    I'd like to see a 'proper' stripped down MCU film, on a par with Agents of SHIELD (pre budget slashing); a spy thriller with only some MCU elements on the fringe of the story. The MCU has kinda shot itself way past the point of 'realism', but a Black Widow film shunted back into the Winter Soldier / Iron Man 1 levels of tech-fantasy would be nice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    I'd like to see it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,494 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Is Hawkeye and Hulk in this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    She's hot, so I'll watch it at some point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Is Hawkeye and Hulk in this?

    Maybe not. Feels like it's an origin story.

    Saying that.. Avengers: Endgame
    time travel and all that.. I dunno


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,494 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Slydice wrote: »
    Maybe not. Feels like it's an origin story.

    Saying that.. Avengers: Endgame
    time travel and all that.. I dunno

    I thought as a prequel Hawkeye would be in it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Surely Budapest has to be in it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Surely Budapest has to be in it!

    Scarlett has mentioned Budapest in an interview :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,881 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Trailer was shown at D23 so expect it soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,100 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭fluke


    Okay so one of two things will happen by the end of this movie
    • It will be (at the very least) teased that Scarlet Johansson will return to the post-Endgame timeline

      or

    • Florence Pugh will take on the BW mantle


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oof those accents :D

    If it weren't for the costumes (and maybe some of that CGI destruction), you'd not necessarily guess this was set in the MCU; should be an interesting palette cleanser from the blue-sky super-heroics, I've always wanted to see a little more cinematic action from ground level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Oof those accents :D

    If it weren't for the costumes (and maybe some of that CGI destruction), you'd not necessarily guess this was set in the MCU; should be an interesting palette cleanser from the blue-sky super-heroics, I've always wanted to see a little more cinematic action from ground level.

    Hopefully the hand to hand action scenes aren't filmed as over-cut and jumpy as the trailer makes it seem. Hand to hand action scenes are a bit like magic tricks - camera cuts and jumps just break the flow of whats going on and make the whole thing feel disjointed and cheap. Marvel need to get the guys who choreographed the Raid, John Wick or Upgrade and film more proper one-shot/steady-cam action scenes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Hopefully the hand to hand action scenes aren't filmed as over-cut and jumpy as the trailer makes it seem. Hand to hand action scenes are a bit like magic tricks - camera cuts and jumps just break the flow of whats going on and make the whole thing feel disjointed and cheap. Marvel need to get the guys who choreographed the Raid, John Wick or Upgrade and film more proper one-shot/steady-cam action scenes.

    The ones in the Winter Soldier are pretty good:



    They're still fairly choppy, but not to the point where it confuses the action or really makes you feel like it's trying to mask anything.

    I can't say I've been looking forward to this much, but seeing BW with Harbour and co doing a sort of Commie Avengers thing, could make it worth it on its own merits.

    It's just a bit puzzling they couldn't squeeze it in any time since Age of Ultron.
    Johansson is the biggest actress in the world. Not sure why it took until after Endgame for them to decide she could carry her own vehicle. Maybe Captain Marvel had to make a billion dollars first before they chanced it?

    I just wish they could've hired some Russians for the leading roles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    The top comment on the trailer
    When Hopper actually did end up in the Russian prison...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Gbear wrote: »
    The ones in the Winter Soldier are pretty good:



    They're still fairly choppy, but not to the point where it confuses the action or really makes you feel like it's trying to mask anything.

    Compare the knife fight in your clip (2.05 to 2.20 in your clip) to the behind the scenes filming of the exact same scene:

    Your clip has random close ups, shot/reverse shots, while the behind the scenes footage is from a distance showing the whole fight clearly (including how that cool knife toss was in the middle of an extended choreographed sequence).
    I really like the MCU movies, and Winter Soldier is probably the least worst for this, but it is inexcusable for the behind the scenes footage filmed on a phone is far superior to what went into the actual movie. Its particularly egregious when, as shown by the behind the scenes footage in Winter Solider, they didn't actually have much they needed to mask anyway.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The now defunct Every Frame a Painting channel did an excellent video on the differences between filming martial arts in the West, and in Asian film; unfortunately the "video is no longer available" for some reason :( but the jist of it came down to the editing & cuts: that western cinema LOVES cutting the action 'cos it's often about the visceral impact trying to be achieved; whereas the other approach is effectively to glory in the performance and athleticism of the actors, holding the shot and letting the fights speak for themselves.

    The latter has definitely started to encroach into how fight scenes are filmed in Western action cinema, when you look at John Wick, MI:Fallout, and a few others. But I don't think that's part of the MCU's modus operandi and approach so have a feeling all those fast cuts from the trailer will be part of the final film too.

    More disappointed about the lame looking "parachuting" between the CGI debris.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Is this not just more of the exact same that's gone before? Swap out some Avengers, keep one and add some new people in capes... go after the baddies who did this to you...

    Endgame my arse!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    Compare the knife fight in your clip (2.05 to 2.20 in your clip) to the behind the scenes filming of the exact same scene:

    Your clip has random close ups, shot/reverse shots, while the behind the scenes footage is from a distance showing the whole fight clearly (including how that cool knife toss was in the middle of an extended choreographed sequence).
    I really like the MCU movies, and Winter Soldier is probably the least worst for this, but it is inexcusable for the behind the scenes footage filmed on a phone is far superior to what went into the actual movie. Its particularly egregious when, as shown by the behind the scenes footage in Winter Solider, they didn't actually have much they needed to mask anyway.

    Chris Evans is something else to be fair that he can actually do all that stuff hat's off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭jface187


    I probably go see it as it's a Marvel film, but I won't be rushing out the door. They might be pushing there luck with this one. So are there no Russian actors that could do one of the main roles? We have two Brit's and a Yank doing Russian accents. The only other Marvel film in 2020 is Eternals? guess there taking a breather.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Dades wrote: »
    Is this not just more of the exact same that's gone before? Swap out some Avengers, keep one and add some new people in capes... go after the baddies who did this to you...

    Endgame my arse!

    And the rumour mill is suggesting that a previously dead Avenger will be cameo'ing, using the Power of Prequel!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Any truth to the rumour that Red Guardian is Hopper from Stranger Things?

    He went to Russia in the end but we never saw a body...


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Any truth to the rumour that Red Guardian is Hopper from Stranger Things?

    He went to Russia in the end but we never saw a body...

    Fan wishful thinking based purely on the fact that's it's the same actor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭mrmorgan


    this didn't really excite me and the smallest thing marvel normally does!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    The thought occurs that maybe
    this film will be a tragedy where her sister dies.. maybe heroicly ..and Black Widow starts dying her hair to her sisters colour after


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Special look means trailer now?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm increasingly liking the nuts & bolts look of this, although that "sky dive" sequence totally betrays the universe it belongs to.

    Also, second only to the superhero pose (the one Deadpool mocked), has to be the "wrapping your thighs around an enemy's head and spinning" attach every female fighter now seems to do in the MCU :D


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I'm increasingly liking the nuts & bolts look of this, although that "sky dive" sequence totally betrays the universe it belongs to.

    Also, second only to the superhero pose (the one Deadpool mocked), has to be the "wrapping your thighs around an enemy's head and spinning" attach every female fighter now seems to do in the MCU :D

    I dunno why a rana/ frankensteiner is now a "THIS A SOMETHING FEMALES DO" thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    On re-watch.. I'm thinking about that SWAT team... and then later how it's revealed there's a bunch of Black Widows

    and I'm reminded of the line from the X2 trailer:
    I feel a great swell of pity for the poor fool who comes to that school... looking for trouble


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Superbowl Spot:

    Oh this feels like there's gonna be a BEATDOWN!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Gavin1986


    Whoo-hoo... I can hardly wait!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,100 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Hopefully that sky-dive is just a single moment 'cos it just keeps ruining the feel of the thing for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Feels like ever sooo subtle hints that this may contain Winter Soldier style physicality thoughout. May not but it's definitely got some hints to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Thought the trailer made it look pretty bad. Didn't even bother to watch it to the end.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭El Duda


    My MCU hype levels are at their lowest. There's nothing exciting on the horizon. This film feels very much like its been shoehorned into the release schedule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭jface187


    Yeah very low hype but better then "Bloodshot" it's out tomorrow. I don't think I even seen a trailer for it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    El Duda wrote: »
    My MCU hype levels are at their lowest. There's nothing exciting on the horizon. This film feels very much like its been shoehorned into the release schedule.

    I think Black Widow looks fine, but everything announced or released in the wake of EndGame has just felt underwhelming. This is just one site, and I'm just one fan(?) of the MCU, but I do wonder if EndGame might have pushed the emotional heights too far. Where does the MCU go from there; and how on earth can it possibly ever top that culmination? Part of me has kept thinking "that's it, that's the MCU over", 'cos they literally pitched the film as an Ending.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I'm not sick of the MCU, but Black Widow is the first of the lot I won't be seeing in the cinema. Frankly it just doesn't look that interesting, the fact that it's a prequel drives the nail in further.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    It's funny, I really disliked most of the MCU films, especially the first 2 Avengers. But this looks good to me. I also enjoyed the law Spiderman.

    I enjoyed last 2 Avengers films.

    One thing that bugged me about the MCU was having individual films about Iron man etc. post the first Avengers film. They could have simply called the other Avengers. Prequels actually make sense.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭jface187


    I see it like the comics. I'm reading spider-man comic, I want to read about spider-man, if I want an avengers comic I'll read an Avengers comic.

    I think the reason I didn't like the last two spider-man films was it too much Iron-man stuff, peter felt like Iron Man jnr. I like the films connected but I want each hero to flourish in their own film.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,100 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    As expected, Disney have postponed Black Widow indefinitely
    https://twitter.com/THR/status/1239962156248043525?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,100 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    Will now release on November 6th


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Don't know why, but until it was delayed I thought this was meant to be a Disney Plus film.


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