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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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fonecrusher1

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

Has Anybody heard anything on the Prism ?

Yeah i'd also like to hear any further news on this myself. I thought it was supposed to be started by now.

namloc1980

Outlet hit by setback

Looks like the county council putting the cart before the horse.

fonecrusher1

namloc1980 wrote: »

Outlet hit by setback

Looks like the county council putting the cart before the horse.

Hmm.

Tourist outlet village” is described as “a speciality form of retail and tourist destination that sells heavily discounted products not normally found on the high street

Wonder did that spook a few influential figures with a vested interest in keeping prices nice and level. I can only imagine the ferocious resistance Lidl and Aldi met when they landed.

marno21

Railway Gardens approved by ABP as per Dan Boyle

https://twitter.com/sendboyle/status/1201512759072088064

Crane expected at Lancaster Quay shortly

https://twitter.com/RobertO39059645/status/1201216036391018497

marno21

Examiner article on Railway Gardens approval:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/planning-permission-approved-for-17-storey-apartment-block-in-cork-city-967953.html

Subject to 30 conditions including no short term lettings, public realm improvements and no access to outdoor terrance between 10pm and 8am.

SleetAndSnow

Tbh I’m just happy that a lot of these high rises are being approved for cork even if they aren’t built (but would love to see). At least we know it is possible for our city. Still love the fact they were told that 13 stories was out of proportion and to increase it to 17

[Deleted User]

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

Has Anybody heard anything on the Prism ?

Very curious myself, surely youd think they would get this built to push on the custom house hotel

Chris_5339762

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Still love the fact they were told that 13 stories was out of proportion and to increase it to 17

Thats absolutely brilliant. The exact opposite happens all the time seemingly, leaving us with stumpy stupid looking buildings.

who_me

Even the Elysian tower could (IMO) could have been a few floors taller, and would be the better for it. It's fine from the North/South, but from the East/West it seems overly squat.

igCorcaigh

I'm all for a higher skyline in the city.

I know it doesn't work well in some busy cities where daylight is blocked and streets can feel claustrophobic, but Cork does not have that problem.

Build up!

fonecrusher1

who_me wrote: »

Even the Elysian tower could (IMO) could have been a few floors taller, and would be the better for it. It's fine from the North/South, but from the East/West it seems overly squat.

As far as I know the Elysian was supposed to be 23/24 stories but there was a flurry of moaning so it got decreased to 17.

Apogee

marno21 wrote: »

Crane expected at Lancaster Quay shortly

https://twitter.com/RobertO39059645/status/1201216036391018497

Anyone know which development is this? I don't recall seeing the details on this thread previously.

ofcork

Next to apartment development by ocp on Lancaster quay by bridge just past western road.

Mahony0509

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but work has began on the redevelopment of the Rochestown Inn. Roads around it have also been resurfaced last few days.

Tomtom364

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Yeah i'd also like to hear any further news on this myself. I thought it was supposed to be started by now.

Tenders went in last week.

Tomtom364

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/New-office-block-to-proceed-after-objection-is-declared-invalid-6f2aef12-7bf4-4823-b35f-28a9c75e41d6-ds

Absolutely great news that this serial objector has has their appeal thrown out.

The submission to An Bord Pleanala on the development, which was lodged by hand, stated that “Penrose Quay, as designed, is not beautiful or exceptional”, and that it “is clearly not in proportion with the ‘old town’ city centre.”

...

“There is no great architecture evident in the design of Penrose Quay and no poetry in its conception and so this building simply doesn’t deserve to be built on this site,” the submission concludes.

The individual had appealed the development initially to Cork City Council in May this year, however, Bandon-based company Karamex Ltd. who are behind the plans were granted permission subject to 30 conditions.

Having been appealed to An Bord Pleanala, a final decision wasn’t expected until March next year. However, as the submission has now been deemed invalid it's expected to proceed as planned.

questionmark?

Tomtom364 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/New-office-block-to-proceed-after-objection-is-declared-invalid-6f2aef12-7bf4-4823-b35f-28a9c75e41d6-ds

Absolutely great news that this serial objector has has their appeal thrown out.

What's chances this is a site that will be flipped? Does do developer have any track record of delivering.

bingo9999

questionmark? wrote: »

What's chances this is a site that will be flipped? Does do developer have any track record of delivering.

I have no info in that regard, but at least we dont have any more delays to finding out whether it flies or dies

Shedite27

Tomtom364 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/New-office-block-to-proceed-after-objection-is-declared-invalid-6f2aef12-7bf4-4823-b35f-28a9c75e41d6-ds

Absolutely great news that this serial objector has has their appeal thrown out.

You make it seem like you're happy because they object to a few developments, rather than you actually disagree with their points.

Junkyard Tom

Shedite27 wrote: »

disagree with their points.

What points exactly? How do you counter subjective opinions:

not beautiful

Compared to what? Should it be beautiful? It's not being built in Gougane Barra.

or exceptional

Why should it be exceptional? It's an office building.

not in proportion with the ‘old town’ city centre.

So what? If proportion decided it then there'd be no buildings taller than a few stories.

There is no great architecture evident

It's an office block not a museum.

no poetry in its conception

That just sounds daft.

You'd wonder what exactly would please someone like that as an office block.

fonecrusher1

Shedite27 wrote: »

You make it seem like you're happy because they object to a few developments, rather than you actually disagree with their points.

I'm delighted her silly notions have been dismissed. She seems to fit nicely as a type 2 serial objector. Here's my handy guide from a previous post:

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I understand there is a need for an appeal system but it seems these appeals fall into two types:

1. Genuine appeals with actual work put into them to demonstrate a genuine concern.

2. Just being a pain in the hole, complaining about anything new or just looking for attention.

Well done ABP.

:pac:

Tomtom364

Shedite27 wrote: »

You make it seem like you're happy because they object to a few developments, rather than you actually disagree with their points.

Freely admit im happy this particular objection has been thrown out. I am all for a facility for people to object to developments. But even delaying, never mind stopping developments because one person thinks it's not pretty enough is an absolute joke.

Given the contents of this objection, it was purely subjective, and of other objections by the same party it is clear this was a nuisance objection and I'm delighted it had been deemed invalid.

The planning process for major developments being held up by individual objectors such as this costs the developers, the construction industry and ultimately the economy due to the weariness of outside investors.

igCorcaigh

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1201973641837236224?s=19

Pablo Escobar

Shedite27 wrote: »

You make it seem like you're happy because they object to a few developments, rather than you actually disagree with their points.

This isn't an objection, it's an opinion piece. I can disagree with her all I like, but it doesn't make her opinion any less valid. In the context of development though, thankfully, it's irrelevant.

To be fair to ABP, they have become very progressive lately, in my humble opinion. I'd say they're pulling their hair our when they receive this type of objection.

Markcheese

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1201973641837236224?s=19

The sooner the Morrison Island scheme goes ahead the better, it won't cost 6 million, probably double it...
It currently floods frequently so no harm starting here, and if they do the quay improvements they're planning on from national funds then whoppee do,
And when they extrapolate the cost up for the rest of the city it'll knock the rest of the project on the head,

chalkitdown1

Delighted that woman's nonsense objection has been thrown out. Can they not also throw out her equally ludicrous objection to the event centre?

Meursault

In a weird way, it is actually a sort of blessing that this person is a serial objector. It makes it harder for ABP to take her objections related to the event centre seriously when she is putting in nonsense objections to all other projects around town also.

marno21

ABP:

SHD consultation for O'Riordan's Joinery on Bandon Road (again!). This time 81 student apartments with 550 bed spaces. http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/306048.htm

SHD consultation for Old Fort Road Ballincollig for 121 apartments by O'Flynn Group. http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/306047.htm

ScrubsfanChris

Original: https://i.imgur.com/3TKnvOe.jpg

marno21

New renders of the new Horgans Quay incorporating the revised apartment plans have been published.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/New-images-of-Horgans-Quay-development-300-apartments-and-a-120-bed-boutique-hotel-with-rooftop-bar--93da8d7a-0a4d-4d2f-be15-1eb6f0106c30-ds