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Eir rural FTTH thread III

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tuxy

I think it may be a problem with traffic routed from Airwire through inex

limnam

Headshot wrote: »

I have no issues with Blacknight using Eir broadband

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8813993004

Where as Airwire is very poor but I suspect that's a limitation on their side

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8813995368

As far as I know Airwire have a 10gb link, so should be able to give you 900+

limnam

tuxy wrote: »

I think it may be a problem with traffic routed from Airwire through inex

Looks like it

Hammurabi

Back to normal now for me (around same time as last night too)

limnam

Hammurabi wrote: »

Back to normal now for me (around same time as last night too)

me too.

odd

tuxy

Hammurabi wrote: »

Back to normal now for me (around same time as last night too)

Almost, 120 mbit not the full 142 I normally get.

Airwire: MartinL

limnam wrote: »

Their port seems to be down in inex cork or echo replies disabled.

I wonder if that's impacting here.

We have no presence on INEX Cork at all. You may confuse that with a provider of similar name, who are present down there.

tuxy wrote: »

I think it may be a problem with traffic routed from Airwire through inex

limnam wrote: »

As far as I know Airwire have a 10gb link, so should be able to give you 900+

That is correct. We have 10 Gbit/s links on both INEX Lan#1 and Lan#2. Lan#2 is currently down for maintenance, but that should have no affect on traffic across INEX, as there is ample of spare capacity.

Hammurabi wrote: »

I'm exactly same as liman. Airwire, ftth. Speedtests to airwire = normal. Anywhere else down to about 20-2mbs. IPTV and games all lagging/buffering. It's been the same for past couple nights. I think it's fine during the day. But havnt checked rigorously. I'm in Cork.

If you send us a mail (to support@airwire.ie) with hosts that you specifically have problems with, we're happy to look into what sort of routing they are taking.

Sometimes it's an upstream issue, but we try to engineer our routing for best quality.

limnam

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

We have no presence on INEX Cork at all. You may confuse that with a provider of similar name, who are present down there.

Yeah I see what I was doing, I was looking at rs1-lan1-ipv4 but thought I'd chosen as112-cork-ipv4

My bad!

tuxy

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

That is correct. We have 10 Gbit/s links on both INEX Lan#1 and Lan#2. Lan#2 is currently down for maintenance, but that should have no affect on traffic across INEX, as there is ample of spare capacity.

But there must have been some reason that everyone was getting normal speeds for traffic not routed through INEX and about 2 Mbps for traffic that was. It's not a big deal, it didn't last for long but it would be interesting to know what happened.

Airwire: MartinL

tuxy wrote: »

But there must have been some reason that everyone was getting normal speeds for traffic not routed through INEX and about 2 Mbps for traffic that was. It's not a big deal, it didn't last for long but it would be interesting to know what happened.

We would need an email with a list of specific hosts, that this is happening on, while the problem is ongoing. Especially, when there is a good chance, that it is a problem outside of our network.

Otherwise it's very difficult to reproduce or track the issue.

tuxy

I did some traceroutes but didn't save the results.

All the ones that showed INEX as a route had problems with speed but not latency.
It would seem the problem was outside your network.

Airwire: MartinL

tuxy wrote: »

I did some traceroutes but didn't save the results.
All the ones that showed INEX as a route had problems with speed but not latency.
It would seem the problem was outside your network.

Let our support desk know anyhow, if it happens. If it's a bigger issue, that can be identified, it can be solved by sending traffic for the relevant peers on a different path.

Especially if it is an issue that lasts longer. However most networks are fairly quick to solve their end, if they spot bottlenecks like this.

limnam

Anyone seeing it tonight?

tuxy

limnam wrote: »

Anyone seeing it tonight?

Not really, maybe slightly. I get 134 Mbps to the Digiweb server when I normally get 144

What exactly are you having problems with and I might be able to confirm with a test.

limnam

tuxy wrote: »

Not really, maybe slightly. I get 134 Mbps to the Digiweb server when I normally get 144

What exactly are you having problems with and I might be able to confirm with a test.

generally i'm wifi so was just testing tonight with hardwire.

hardwire to bk i normally get solid 900+

tonight it's 300, but 900 to airwire.

granted nothing near as bad as the 2mb seen yesterday

getting 800 or so on uk tests.

maybe something up with bk?

tuxy

I don't have the speed to test that, only 150Mbps here.

limnam

tuxy wrote: »

I don't have the speed to test that, only 150Mbps here.

What do you normally get to bk? are you getting it now?

tuxy

limnam wrote: »

What do you normally get to bk? are you getting it now?

I normally get 142-144 with every Irish server on speedtest without fail.
just now it's all over the place sometimes 144, usually closer to 110 but sometimes 50 :eek:

Headshot

Guys you should contact airwire support on this

limnam

tuxy wrote: »

I normally get 142-144 with every Irish server on speedtest without fail.
just now it's all over the place sometimes 144, usually closer to 110 but sometimes 50 :eek:

Yea it's weird, testing out some wifi devices that can usually hit 2/300 to bk or most irish servers and they're getting 50/60

But to airwire always "normal"

something is amiss.

limnam

Headshot wrote: »

Guys you should contact airwire support on this

I have

Richieq

So after waiting 3 months for an install, I get a text today that I have a new resolution date in three months time! Nobody at Vodafone has a clue what’s happening!

Marlow

Richieq wrote: »

So after waiting 3 months for an install, I get a text today that I have a new resolution date in three months time! Nobody at Vodafone has a clue what’s happening!

Standard OpenEir procedure. If you don't get it within 3 months, add another 3 months. No bother ...

I still don't get how that place still exists.

/M

tuxy

Headshot wrote: »

Guys you should contact airwire support on this

Just trying to figure out what's going on with INEX, which is not really an Airwire issue.

I've always had issue with INEX, for example my ping times to Irish servers routed through INEX are higher than servers in the UK that are not routed through INEX. Nothing terribly bad but shouldn't my latency be lower to Irish servers?

limnam

tuxy wrote: »

Just trying to figure out what's going on with INEX, which is not really an Airwire issue.

I've always had issue with INEX, for example my ping times to Irish servers routed through INEX are higher than servers in the UK that are not routed through INEX. Nothing terribly bad but shouldn't my latency be lower to Irish servers?

I would have thought if the issue was at INEX Headshot should see it too on the same tests as EIR is peered there also

What are you getting to bk test on speedtest headshot?

tuxy

limnam wrote: »

I would have thought if the issue was at INEX Headshot should see it too on the same tests as EIR is peered there also

What are you getting to bk test on speedtest headshot?

I don't believe Eir route as many connections through INEX as airwire.
At least things look like they take a very different route now than when I was with Eir.
Ping times are excellent to UK servers and the rest of Europe but much higher to Irish servers than when I was with Eir.
It's not a real issue, sub 20ms is still perfectly fine for what I need, just curious what's happening.

Here you can see how unstable it is to ping an Irish server compared to a UK server, it's consistently like this.

Johnboy1951

I am obviously not one of those badly affected by whatever is going on ..... Airwire connection ......

$ ping -c 5 boards.ie
PING boards.ie (104.20.71.96) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=1 ttl=56 time=14.7 ms
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=2 ttl=56 time=12.7 ms
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=3 ttl=56 time=13.6 ms
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=4 ttl=56 time=14.1 ms
64 bytes from 104.20.71.96: icmp_req=5 ttl=56 time=12.5 ms

--- boards.ie ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0&#37; packet loss, time 4006ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 12.579/13.560/14.741/0.825 ms

Is this a little unstable?

$ ping -c 5 bbc.co.uk
PING bbc.co.uk (151.101.128.81) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 151.101.128.81: icmp_req=1 ttl=57 time=12.9 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.128.81: icmp_req=2 ttl=57 time=12.3 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.128.81: icmp_req=3 ttl=57 time=12.5 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.128.81: icmp_req=4 ttl=57 time=12.3 ms
64 bytes from 151.101.128.81: icmp_req=5 ttl=57 time=12.3 ms

--- bbc.co.uk ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4005ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 12.314/12.505/12.944/0.227 ms

tuxy

This has been the case since I joined Airwire a few months ago, UK latency has always been lower than latency to Irish servers.
Not a real issue as I use more UK and German servers than Irish ones. I just find it odd.

Gonzo

everything seems grand here on my Eir connection. Maybe the problems are certain areas only.

Pinging boards.ie [2606:4700:10::6814:4660] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 2606:4700:10::6814:4660: time=2ms
Reply from 2606:4700:10::6814:4660: time=2ms
Reply from 2606:4700:10::6814:4660: time=2ms
Reply from 2606:4700:10::6814:4660: time=2ms

Ping statistics for 2606:4700:10::6814:4660:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 2ms, Average = 2ms

ping bbc.co.uk

Pinging bbc.co.uk [2a04:4e42:400::81] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 2a04:4e42:400::81: time=11ms
Reply from 2a04:4e42:400::81: time=11ms
Reply from 2a04:4e42:400::81: time=11ms
Reply from 2a04:4e42:400::81: time=11ms

Ping statistics for 2a04:4e42:400::81:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 11ms, Maximum = 11ms, Average = 11ms

tuxy

Gonzo wrote: »

everything seems grand here on my Eir connection. Maybe the problems are certain areas only.

I really think it is a problem with inex, see how pings to the UK are about the same with Eir and Airwire. Can you do a tracert to boards.ie?

See how it goes through inex? I don't believe Eir use inex for most connections in Ireland.