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Eric Cartman wrote: »

treason and membership of a terrorist organisation......

What direct act of aggression have IS commuted against Ireland? This would be a minimum requirement for treason.

The_Kew_Tour

Boggles wrote: »

Go on then, name the alternative non main stream parties?

Oh the sad part is there is, the are few in number, and the person I was responding to will be voting for one of them.

I thought ye all be on the SF bandwagon at this stage? Or Greens...

1hnr79jr65

Boggles wrote: »

No they haven't unless precedent means one of the last countries to do it.

Actually they did when the government reached out to move her from a camp in Syria to Turkey to repatriate her, she should have been left to justice of Syria/Iraq whoever needed to seek justice.

Also by bringing her back there is a high risk for her radicalizing others.

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

Actually they did when the government reached out to move her from a camp in Syria to Turkey to repatriate her, she should have been left to justice of Syria/Iraq whoever needed to seek justice.

She was never held captive or even in an area that was under the control of Syria or Iraq.

pablo128

Rubberchikken wrote: »

so is she willing to leave all her muslim isis crap behind and don normal clothes and adhere to our laws?

Muslim and Isis are not the same thing. Plenty of Muslims in Ireland go around in hijabs and cause no trouble.

That doesn't mean I have sympathy for Lisa Smith.

Rubberchikken wrote: »

so is she willing to leave all her muslim isis crap behind and don normal clothes and adhere to our laws?

Sounds like we need to remove the right to religious freedom as a fundamental right from the constitution.

I'm surprised by the number of extreme communist policies advocated by some posters on here. I didn't think people were that far to the left. There were even some advocating internment a few days ago.

Field east

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

They are correct.

The "Islamic State" does not actually exist.

RTÉ should refer to the state concept as The Calipate which is a different concept altogether from the concept of state. The Calipate is a kind of a moving entity and it geographically exists where ISIS followers reside AND CONTROL. The followers do recognize state boundaries

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I thought ye all be on the SF bandwagon at this stage? Or Greens...

SF are mainstream and the Greens are noble in their intentions but they can fúck off.

Eric Cartman

tuxy wrote: »

What direct act of aggression have IS commuted against Ireland? This would be a minimum requirement for treason.

ISIS have defined Ireland as a target country https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-branded-europes-weakest-link-6899801

there is evidence of hostility from ISIS towards Ireland, as a member of that organisation Lisa would be a conspirator in this.

Field east wrote: »

RTÉ should refer to the state concept as The Calipate which is a different concept altogether from the concept of state. The Calipate is a kind of a moving entity and it geographically exists where ISIS followers reside AND CONTROL. The followers do recognize state boundaries

IS follows have nothing to do with a caliphate it's just another term they use to try to legitimise their actions.
I don't think we should adopt such ideas that they want to spread.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

treason and membership of a terrorist organisation......

There is no offence of membership of a terrorist organization in Ireland.
Treason? Definitely not.

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

Actually they did when the government reached out to move her from a camp in Syria to Turkey to repatriate her, she should have been left to justice of Syria/Iraq whoever needed to seek justice.

She was in a camp controlled by the Kurds in an area occupied by the Kurds.

It's been a pretty big story in the news lately.

The Kurds wanted her gone.

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

Also by bringing her back there is a high risk for her radicalizing others.

If she is going to want to radicalize others she doesn't have to be next near to them to it.

pablo128

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ISIS have defined Ireland as a target country https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-branded-europes-weakest-link-6899801

there is evidence of hostility from ISIS towards Ireland, as a member of that organisation Lisa would be a conspirator in this.

That's the opinion of an ex soldier, and the article is almost 2 years old. Calm down.

Rubberchikken wrote: »

so is she willing to leave all her muslim isis crap behind and don normal clothes and adhere to our laws?

She is quite entitled to be a Muslim, freedom of religion, thankfully exist here.
Isis, there's something that could be looked into, but it's fairly doubtful they can prove that. Even if they can, there's no proof she committed any crime

pablo128 wrote: »

That's the opinion of an ex soldier, and the article is almost 2 years old. Calm down.

Ah yeah, be grand.

dennispenn

tuxy wrote: »

IS follows have nothing to do with a caliphate it's just another term they use to try to legitimise their actions.
I don't think we should adopt such ideas that they want to spread.

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It could be argued that IS are the true conservatives of Islam. They are definitely following the litteral meaning of the Islamic text.

bubblypop wrote: »

Isis, there's something that could be looked into, but it's fairly doubtful they can prove that. Even if they can, there's no proof she committed any crime

There seems to be a misconception that anyone that went to join the caliphate were fighters and executioners.

They weren't, they needed women to form the caliphate, they also bizarrely as it sounds needed people from all sorts of trades, it was quite mundane for some time inside the caliphate.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Ah yeah, be grand.

Honest question. Would you be happy if Ireland started using a system of internment with no evidence or legitimate trial?

dennispenn wrote: »

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It could be argued that IS are the true conservatives of Islam. They are definitely following the litteral meaning of the Islamic text.

Bit like David Koresh.

tuxy wrote: »

Honest question. Would you be happy if Ireland started using a system of internment with no evidence or legitimate trial?

For IS, every country should.

Ally Dick

If you were in Dundrum Shopping Centre, and Lisa Smith walked past wearing a rucksack, how would you react?

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

For IS, every country should.

I guess so, it worked well for the British when they did it.

dennispenn

bubblypop wrote: »

She is quite entitled to be a Muslim, freedom of religion, thankfully exist here.
Isis, there's something that could be looked into, but it's fairly doubtful they can prove that. Even if they can, there's no proof she committed any crime

If joining a terrorist organization isn't worthy of being a crime in your world then God help us all.

You don't believe she was a member of IS?

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

For IS, every country should.

Why not every terrorist organisation then?
Why just Isis?

rossie1977

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I doubt she will, but in a decent country she would be locked up forever or face the death penalty.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

treason and membership of a terrorist organisation......

Decent country, wow.

Being a member of a terrorist organisation won't get you death penalty in the US and proving treason is quite difficult unless you attempt a coup or something

super_furry

Ally Dick wrote: »

If you were in Dundrum Shopping Centre, and Lisa Smith walked past wearing a rucksack, how would you react?

With horror. What the hell am I doing in that hellhole?

tuxy wrote: »

I guess so, it worked well for the British when they did it.

But it didn't though did it?
All it did was gather more recruits for the republican side

dennispenn wrote: »

If joining a terrorist organization isn't worthy of being a crime in your world then God help us all.

The Kurds are a terrorists according to Turkey.

Do you think the Kurds are criminals?

dennispenn wrote: »

If joining a terrorist organization isn't worthy of being a crime in your world then God help us all.

You don't believe she was a member of IS?

In my world?
In this country there is no offence of being a member of a terrorist organization, so I think you will find that is your world also.