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newcavanman

Has anyone heard that Lisa Smith was flown into Baldonnel on Tuesday?

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Sam Quentin

newcavanman wrote: »

Has anyone heard that Lisa Smith was flown into Baldonnel on Tuesday?

Close but no cigar,.it was actually today at 10:30am ohhh and at Dublin airport.
Your Welcome..
But if it's of any consolation::your post was the first of hundreds of fake news posts in this thread

Brian?

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s not though. Vradkar is looking after his own affairs to the detriment of the rest of us.

By sticking to agreements made in the EU and not breaking international law? I think that’s the minimum he should do.

Spanish Eyes

Getting a feeling that going to the mosque will be the least of LS's problems.

She is possibly a fair weather Muslim anyway.

4068ac1elhodqr

Legally she could enter, but on the other hand a legal level of peaceful protest could be displayed to her, whereby it would be somewhat impractical (but still possible) to attend.

Sure give it just a few weeks/months and they'll all be chillaxing with more conversons on the way.

Odhinn

Dexter Whispering Kangaroo wrote: »

Even the Mosque in Dundalk don't want her says another white Muslim girl from there:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1201/1096317-lisa-smith-carol-duffy/

But at the bottom of the article it also says "if she comes into worship we can't stop her"
Make your mind up.

They - going on a previous interview - can block her from the various activities based around the mosque, but can't block her from worship per se.

This is a fairly thorough talk with one of the senior figures covering that and other related issues

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/former-friend-lisa-smith-talks-smiths-imminent-return-ireland

Didn't listen? - They weren't sorry she left, and are unhappy at the thought of her return.

[Deleted User]

Dexter Whispering Kangaroo wrote: »

Even the Mosque in Dundalk don't want her says another white Muslim girl from there:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1201/1096317-lisa-smith-carol-duffy/

But at the bottom of the article it also says "if she comes into worship we can't stop her"
Make your mind up.

Big difference between “don’t want” and “can’t stop”.

tuxy

Dexter Whispering Kangaroo wrote: »

Even the Mosque in Dundalk don't want her says another white Muslim girl from there:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1201/1096317-lisa-smith-carol-duffy/

But at the bottom of the article it also says "if she comes into worship we can't stop her"
Make your mind up.

Freedom of religion is in the Irish constitution under fundamental rights.
She could not be removed from a mosque unless she was doing something illegal.

4068ac1elhodqr

Even the Mosque in Dundalk don't want her says another white Muslim girl from there:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1201/1096317-lisa-smith-carol-duffy/

But at the bottom of the article it also says "if she comes into worship we can't stop her"
Make your mind up.

Horsebox9000

LUK AFTA ARE EOIN FURST

j8wk2feszrnpao

Yurt! wrote: »

Oh come on. Everyone thinks their job is the most important yadda yadda yadda. By any definition it's a job. You're not ascetic monks seeking enlightenment; it's paid employment for a role with a few institutional bells and whistles tacked on. This ain't America, you can leave the 'brave and the proud support out troops' rhetoric at the door.

And for what it's worth, I do think the rank and file are underpaid relative to other public servants - officers are well looked after however.

I certainly agree with that. If the state wants to hire them, then they should pay them a decent wage.

Yurt2

Oh come on. Everyone thinks their job is the most important yadda yadda yadda. By any definition it's a job. You're not ascetic monks seeking enlightenment; it's paid employment for a role with a few institutional bells and whistles tacked on. This ain't America, you can leave the 'brave and the proud support out troops' rhetoric at the door.

And for what it's worth, I do think the rank and file are underpaid relative to other public servants - officers are well looked after however.

Calhoun

munstermagic11 wrote: »

If they take it, that's their choice and that's what they sign up to.
I know someone who was in the defense forces and did come under fire when working abroad under the flag of the UN. I respect the bravery he showed and what he had to endure. I just don't hand that respect out to all en masse due to their job title and chosen field.

I would look at it from the perspective though that those who insist that respect be shown for services rendered to the country also must accept that what she did with her training and even going to the likes of ISIS was a spit in the face of it.

So not only does she not deserve respect for her service but she must be judged even harsher than a normal citizen who has gone abroad to them.

j8wk2feszrnpao

elperello wrote: »

This thread is about LS you waded in and said membership of the Defence Forces was just a job.
It's not and it has been explained to you.
Please don't continue to insult some of our best.

Relax. It's a job. We don't all have to submit to your idealism.

jmreire

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Yes it is. They work. They get paid. They can quit. It's a job.

No, it's not " Just a job"...you are given order's and you obey them. You are ordered what to do, where and and when to do it, you work the time's you are ordered to. Not to mention that some of the Country's you may be sent to "work" in are not exactly the safest place's on earth.
Nope, it's not just a "Job".

j8wk2feszrnpao

Calhoun wrote: »

You don't but when you do take it and you take that oath you are stuck with allot more ****ty terms and conditions than a normal job and you cannot just leave it either.

Thats not how a national army works.

If they take it, that's their choice and that's what they sign up to.
I know someone who was in the defense forces and did come under fire when working abroad under the flag of the UN. I respect the bravery he showed and what he had to endure. I just don't hand that respect out to all en masse due to their job title and chosen field.

ebbsy

elperello wrote: »

This thread is about LS you waded in and said membership of the Defence Forces was just a job.
It's not and it has been explained to you.
Please don't continue to insult some of our best.

True. And they are paid like **** as well.

[Deleted User]

I wish my job was a permanent piss up, oath or not.

elperello

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You don't have to take the job.

This thread is about LS you waded in and said membership of the Defence Forces was just a job.
It's not and it has been explained to you.
Please don't continue to insult some of our best.

suicide_circus

i can't see joining a group which is hostile to Ireland and has killed the citizens of our EU colleagues as anything but treasonous. her being an ex DF member is actually irrelevant.

j8wk2feszrnpao

elperello wrote: »

You may not realise it but you are insulting members of our Defence Forces.

That's their issue if they take insult.

elperello wrote: »

I suggest you look up the Oath they take on joining.

Don't care. They don't have to do it.

elperello wrote: »

The type of opinion you are espousing is unfortunately all too common in Ireland, in other countries more respect is shown.

The OTT crap done in other countries, such as next door and the US, is becoming too common. Respect, in any form of life, is earned, not handed out willy-nilly such as what you are suggesting.
Someone from the Gardai, Nursing, Defense Forces, Fire Brigade, Doctor, insert job..... who merits respect, I will respect. Not just because of their job title.

Calhoun

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You don't have to take the job.

You don't but when you do take it and you take that oath you are stuck with allot more ****ty terms and conditions than a normal job and you cannot just leave it either.

Thats not how a national army works.

j8wk2feszrnpao

suicide_circus wrote: »

you dont have to take an oath with most jobs

You don't have to take the job.

Calhoun

suicide_circus wrote: »

you dont have to take an oath with most jobs

I would say this is why its even worse, she basically took an oath and then turned her back on it and the country when she went and joined ISIS.

I know the family friend on here is using her service as a defense of her but i don't think it is. She took the military training from a neutral country and turned it into something fairly bad.

171170

Sardonicat wrote: »

Her parents did no such thing. And we have no idea who in the family is taking care of the baby. Could be a sibling/cousin/ Aunt/Uncle. Nor do we know what conditions they have to adhere to re who the child can and cannot be in contact with. That's what TUSLA are for.

Your confidence in Tusla's ability to oversee this unfortunate child's upbringing is endearingly amusing.

dubdaymo

The facts.

This woman saw what was going on with ISIS - not only murdering people but constantly dreaming up heinous and perverse ways to do it. Cutting off their heads, burning them alive in cages, boiling them in oil, drowning them in cages, binding them and throwing them off high buildings and stoning them if still alive - just to mention a few. Videos of these events were shot and uploaded across the Internet.

This woman decided, yes, this is what I want, this is the life for me, this is what I believe in, these are the things I want to see happening - so off she went and joined up.

I've always maintained that those men and women who left the West to join ISIS were just perverts who saw an opportunity to be able to carry out their perverse fantasies, not acceptable at home, in a place where they could not only freely commit more perverse atrocities but also become heroes for doing so.

This woman has only wanted to come back because her beloved ISIS has been destroyed - for now.

She should never be allowed see the light of day or her child again. Period.

suicide_circus

"I do solemnly swear (or declare) that I will be faithful to Ireland and loyal to the Constitution"

X111111111111

Duke of Url wrote: »

So the cells currently in Ireland shouldn’t be deported?

No they should be shot dead, hung, electric chair etc... change the laws i don't care. Enough pussy footing around with these creatures.

elperello

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Yes it is. They work. They get paid. They can quit. It's a job.

You may not realise it but you are insulting members of our Defence Forces.

I suggest you look up the Oath they take on joining.

The type of opinion you are espousing is unfortunately all too common in Ireland, in other countries more respect is shown.

suicide_circus

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Yes it is. They work. They get paid. They can quit. It's a job.

you dont have to take an oath with most jobs

Calhoun

Lets not forget some of what her parents seem to be blind to.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-woman-who-joined-islamic-state-denies-training-young-girls-as-fighters-1.3947554

I would say considering her military training there is a strong probability it was used to train fighters. There are also the interviews and accusations against some of the cruel **** she did over there.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/family-believes-lisa-smith-innocent-of-all-charges-td-says-1.4081736

Then you have the family who see no evil and hear no evil and they are just given access to the child.