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Lisa Smith home.

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Has anyone heard that Lisa Smith was flown into Baldonnel on Tuesday?

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j8wk2feszrnpao

elperello wrote: »

Membership of our Defence Forces is not just working a job.

Yes it is. They work. They get paid. They can quit. It's a job.

jmreire

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Family is not only Lisas mother and father, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles etc. would come into question. Indeed I would imagine social welfare would not send the child to the grandparents directly as the press etc. would hound them. Better to get the child out of the line of fire. However one should not forget how stressing this will be for the child, so a familar face would be very welcome.

Like everything else, the publicity surrounding the child will die down. After the first few days, it will finish ( the interest in Lisa will last quite a while though) And it's quite possible that a Judge may ban all reporting on the child. That would be the logical thing to do.

elperello

A lot of off colour comments here about the child and LS's family.

jmreire

171170 wrote: »

So you're saying that the parents who raised Lisa to become a serial ISIS "wife" are the best possible parental option for her daughter?

Where did you get that bit of information that Lisa's parent's raised her to become a member of isis???? They had neither hand act or part of it. She was a full grown adult woman when she first decided to become a muslin, and later on became radicalised....her Parents had no part in it. And being a grand parent myself, you can be damn sure that if Lisa was my daughter, and in the same circumstances, No one, and I mean NO ONE, would take that child.

Calhoun

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

The family are on record as saying they were in regular contact via video chat etc. So the faces would be familiar....better than strangers over in the west who know nothing about the child or the family.

I am sure as you know them you have the direct line more than I would but I still dont think putting the children in the welfare of a family who would not accept the reality of what their daughter did is the right thing.

It's just lazy to day a sure she would know them so let's leave her.

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why, what do you think they are going to do?

I would say they wouldn't necessarily see signs that she needs help ECT. Especially if Lisa starts getting back involved they wouldn't be in a position to protect the child from her.

Sardonicat

171170 wrote: »

So you're saying that the parents who raised Lisa to become a serial ISIS "wife" are the best possible parental option for her daughter?

Her parents did no such thing. And we have no idea who in the family is taking care of the baby. Could be a sibling/cousin/ Aunt/Uncle. Nor do we know what conditions they have to adhere to re who the child can and cannot be in contact with. That's what TUSLA are for.

171170

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why, what do you think they are going to do?

Tell her that her parents are wonderful people who she should look up to and aspire to emulate.

YFlyer

smelly sock wrote: »

No.

Fingers in ears moment.

Sardonicat

Calhoun wrote: »

That's great I hope they keep a good eye on them.

Why, what do you think they are going to do?

Irishmale0399

Calhoun wrote: »

Are they familiar faces though ? The child has been away from them since she was born.

The family are on record as saying they were in regular contact via video chat etc. So the faces would be familiar....better than strangers over in the west who know nothing about the child or the family.

171170

Sardonicat wrote: »

According to news reports, TUSLA are involved. Whatever their beliefs about Lisa, they are that baby's family. As she has just landed in the country and been removed from her mother the very best place for her to be is with relatives who won't just care for her physically but will love her too.

So you're saying that the parents who raised Lisa to become a serial ISIS "wife" are the best possible parental option for her daughter?

Calhoun

Sardonicat wrote: »

Social Services ARE involved.

That's great I hope they keep a good eye on them.

Calhoun

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Family is not only Lisas mother and father, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles etc. would come into question. Indeed I would imagine social welfare would not send the child to the grandparents directly as the press etc. would hound them. Better to get the child out of the line of fire. However one should not forget how stressing this will be for the child, so a familar face would be very welcome.

Are they familiar faces though ? The child has been away from them since she was born.

elperello

munstermagic11 wrote: »

No she didn't. She worked a job.

Membership of our Defence Forces is not just working a job.

171170

jmreire wrote: »

So she is back, landed in Dublin Airport at 10:30 this morning on Turkish Air Flight 1975 fro Istanbul, and was arrested on landing. Was met by Gardai, and currently being detained at a South Dublin Garda Station. He child is being cared for by her relatives.

Genuinely shocked that Micklín Dee wasn't at the airport to welcome her.

Irishmale0399

Calhoun wrote: »

As I said I'd rather have our social services take a look at her first.

Her father has done allot of damage to their credibility, it's one thing to want to protect your family it's another to believe a cock and bull story about how she got to a country and what she did there.

Could they be trusted to make the right decisions going forward ? Maybe but I don't think they should be allowed do it alone.

They will need help as she will be ostracized and then along with her to a lesser extent.

Family is not only Lisas mother and father, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles etc. would come into question. Indeed I would imagine social welfare would not send the child to the grandparents directly as the press etc. would hound them. Better to get the child out of the line of fire. However one should not forget how stressing this will be for the child, so a familar face would be very welcome.

Sardonicat

Calhoun wrote: »

As I said I'd rather have our social services take a look at her first.

Her father has done allot of damage to their credibility, it's one thing to want to protect your family it's another to believe a cock and bull story about how she got to a country and what she did there.

Could they be trusted to make the right decisions going forward ? Maybe but I don't think they should be allowed do it alone.

They will need help as she will be ostracized and then along with her to a lesser extent.

Social Services ARE involved.

jmreire

LorelaiG wrote: »

She. Not it.

She will most likely end up in foster care for most of her life. Like most other Irish kids who never get adopted because the system is broken.

Except that her relatives have already said that they will take care of the child...there is no talk of adoption or taken into care etc. At the end of the day, the law is the law, she is Lisa's Baby, so for sure she will have a say in the matter. Bearing in mind that as the Law stands. Lisa is innocent until proven guilty...and proving her guilty, that's going to be some task for the state. Because what ever she may have done abroad, she has not done anything wrong here in Ireland. It's quite conceivable that next week, she will be free as a bird, and reunited with her Child

Calhoun

Sardonicat wrote: »

According to news reports, TUSLA are involved. Whatever their beliefs about Lisa, they are that baby's family. As she has just landed in the country and been removed from her mother the very best place for her to be is with relatives who won't just care for her physically but will love her too.

I don't believe they are to be honest, if a child is out up for adopted do those parents love it any less ?

Do the foster families in this country love the children under their care any less?

The family here have done themselves damage with their media outings and should be watched like a hawk.

Irishmale0399

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s not though. Vradkar is looking after his own affairs to the detriment of the rest of us.

Ahh come here....its happening every day for the last 2-3 weeks EU wide. So far no EU state has refused repatriation from Turkey to my knowledge. The Germans have had 7-8 cases last week alone....Merkel looking after her own affairs too???

Simple fact is if the EU dont accept these people Turkey are sending back Erdogan is saying he will open the borders and send masses to the EU. 1 to Ireland is better than 1,000+

Personally feel the Irish government have handled it very well, nothing was rushed and it seems things are in place.

Calhoun

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

I grew up beside the family, the child will want for nothing and will get the love and care it deserves, in fact probably more. People need to remember, the child has certainly done nothing wrong in all of this and is not responsible for the actions of her parents. The little thing is a victim if anything.

As for the statements....a certain TD has his finger in a lot of it as have various other people. Family got some bad advise and picked Dundalks biggest clown to speak for them. I assume that came as result of him being a former soldier, would have know Lisa and currently being a TD.

90% of Irish mothers would come and say their child slipped into such a life if they were told a cock and bull story and knew the extreme situation their grandchild and indeed child were in. Would take a very hard parent to walk away and say not my problem to both of them.

As I said I'd rather have our social services take a look at her first.

Her father has done allot of damage to their credibility, it's one thing to want to protect your family it's another to believe a cock and bull story about how she got to a country and what she did there.

Could they be trusted to make the right decisions going forward ? Maybe but I don't think they should be allowed do it alone.

They will need help as she will be ostracized and then along with her to a lesser extent.

Sardonicat

Calhoun wrote: »

I hope they are keeping an eye on things to make sure the child is ok. I don't trust her relatives as they still believe she just accidentally ended up in Syria.

I would go as far as saying their statements on her so far should have disqualified then from caring from her but where else would she have gone .

According to news reports, TUSLA are involved. Whatever their beliefs about Lisa, they are that baby's family. As she has just landed in the country and been removed from her mother the very best place for her to be is with relatives who won't just care for her physically but will love her too.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Lisa also served her country....dont forget that.

No she didn't. She worked a job.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

They can,but she has a passport now. In all the times I've been asked for mine in the ports in France, the officer just gave a cursory glance at it. I've never been stopped in the uk ports,so she does have free access to Europe

Was in France in the Summer. They did a full check on everyone in the car, full examination of passports, and did that for each and every car in the multiple queues off the ferry. It really slowed things down and it was not a cursory glance for anyone.

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Brian? wrote: »

I am attempting to point out what a nonsense thing it was to say.

It’s not though. Vradkar is looking after his own affairs to the detriment of the rest of us.

Brian?

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Lining his pockets. Really the initial example I gave you was enough, but you seem the prickly little type that will go for technicalities over anything else.

I am attempting to point out what a nonsense thing it was to say.

Irishmale0399

Calhoun wrote: »

I hope they are keeping an eye on things to make sure the child is ok. I don't trust her relatives as they still believe she just accidentally ended up in Syria.

I would go as far as saying their statements on her so far should have disqualified then from caring from her but where else would she have gone .

I grew up beside the family, the child will want for nothing and will get the love and care it deserves, in fact probably more. People need to remember, the child has certainly done nothing wrong in all of this and is not responsible for the actions of her parents. The little thing is a victim if anything.

As for the statements....a certain TD has his finger in a lot of it as have various other people. Family got some bad advise and picked Dundalks biggest clown to speak for them. I assume that came as result of him being a former soldier, would have know Lisa and currently being a TD.

90% of Irish mothers would come and say their child slipped into such a life if they were told a cock and bull story and knew the extreme situation their grandchild and indeed child were in. Would take a very hard parent to walk away and say not my problem to both of them.

Calhoun

Sardonicat wrote: »

According to RTE, the little girl is being cared for by relatives currently.

I hope they are keeping an eye on things to make sure the child is ok. I don't trust her relatives as they still believe she just accidentally ended up in Syria.

I would go as far as saying their statements on her so far should have disqualified then from caring from her but where else would she have gone .

Sam Quentin

jmreire wrote: »

So she is back, landed in Dublin Airport at 10:30 this morning on Turkish Air Flight 1975 fro Istanbul, and was arrested on landing. Was met by Gardai, and currently being detained at a South Dublin Garda Station. He child is being cared for by her relatives.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1201/1096265-smith-isis-home-turkey/

Irishmale0399

tuxy wrote: »

If the woman from the Dundalk mosque who knows Lisa is to be believe she was not radicalised but actively sought it out herself. Now you may think why would we believe her, of course Muslims will be trying to distance themselves from Lisa. But Lisa divorced most of those men because they were not radical enough for her.
I'm sure something happened in her life that triggered this but I don't think it started with an IS member trying to recruit her.

The young lady in the mosque will never ever say....we did it. In fact they will do everything to deflect from themselves. The last thing they want is cops sniffing around.

As for divorce....I work with Muslims on a daily basis. They meet people, get married within 2-4 months and its like a pass to get the leg over, have the lady move in, cook and clean for you. Once they are not getting what they want it is divorce and onto the next one. Likewise the ladies marry, see the real man afterwards and ensure he wants a divorce very quickly so they can find the next perfect man. Whatever went on in Lisas relationships or marriages, none of us know the truth. Maybe it was a husband that radicalised her, then again maybe she was the one doing the radicalising. We dont know and that is the very point.