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Lisa Smith home.

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Has anyone heard that Lisa Smith was flown into Baldonnel on Tuesday?

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Brian? wrote: »

Themselves? I thought you were talking about Leo specifically. But ok, that's one agenda. What other agendas?

Lining his pockets. Really the initial example I gave you was enough, but you seem the prickly little type that will go for technicalities over anything else.

Brian?

biko wrote: »

Did you just assume the child's gender?

"I refuse to admit I'm wrong, even though I know I am"

jmreire

So she is back, landed in Dublin Airport at 10:30 this morning on Turkish Air Flight 1975 fro Istanbul, and was arrested on landing. Was met by Gardai, and currently being detained at a South Dublin Garda Station. He child is being cared for by her relatives.

Brian?

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Getting themselves a cushy well paid EU job.

Themselves? I thought you were talking about Leo specifically. But ok, that's one agenda. What other agendas?

Sardonicat

Calhoun wrote: »

I wonder where they will put her, her parents house could be unsafe due to her presence but also the comments from her father.

I don't envy the job to relocate her. I would like to know the plan to protect her child.

According to RTE, the little girl is being cared for by relatives currently.

Calhoun

I wonder where they will put her, her parents house could be unsafe due to her presence but also the comments from her father.

I don't envy the job to relocate her. I would like to know the plan to protect her child.

biko

LorelaiG wrote: »

She. Not it.

Did you just assume the child's gender?

tuxy

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

More interesting would be to know why she was in a position to be radicalised and who did it, what triggered it??

If the woman from the Dundalk mosque who knows Lisa is to be believe she was not radicalised but actively sought it out herself. Now you may think why would we believe her, of course Muslims will be trying to distance themselves from Lisa. But Lisa divorced most of those men because they were not radical enough for her.
I'm sure something happened in her life that triggered this but I don't think it started with an IS member trying to recruit her.

LorelaiG

biko wrote: »

The child could be set up for adoption.
That way the child will grow up in a normal Irish household with parents that have no sense of its history.
It will grow up normally and not prepped by it's mother to wage jihad

And Lisa cannot use it to play the system and the bleeding hearts.

She. Not it.

She will most likely end up in foster care for most of her life. Like most other Irish kids who never get adopted because the system is broken.

Sam Quentin

According to a source I was speaking to. Lisa Smith was well regarded and well liked when she was part of the Defence Forces in Ireland.. I also heard members were ready and willing to take part in a rescue mission if need be,. I'd go as far as to say they were queuing up to volunteer.. so let's not forget that in all this.

Irishmale0399

rgossip30 wrote: »

A little reminder of her past and what officials are dealing with !!
https://www.thesun.ie/news/4818698/lisa-smith-married-four-times-leaving-jihad-syria/

You do realise marriage in Islam can happen in your living room and is very often used as an excuse for couples to get the leg over. Marry your partner and it is OK to do the deed. Same way a man can announce the divorce by saying a few words.........very common practise here on mainland Europe for young Muslims. Marriage in the eyes of religion is enough to move in with your partner and do as you wish without the family saying anything.

Lisa also served her country....dont forget that.

More interesting would be to know why she was in a position to be radicalised and who did it, what triggered it??

There is no proof she is anything wrong when over there, we all assume she did. Maybe she did nothing more than cook, clean and ride the husband who was a fighter. On the other side maybe she was training killers....we dont know and until we have no evidence she cannot be charged. She should however be watch very carefully and put under curfew etc.

Yurt2

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

They can,but she has a passport now. In all the times I've been asked for mine in the ports in France, the officer just gave a cursory glance at it. I've never been stopped in the uk ports,so she does have free access to Europe

If you're on a no-fly list;

A. You won't be allowed to board a plane

or,

B. If you somehow make it to a European entry port an you're on an Interpol watchlist / security services watchlist, the immigration officer's passport scanning machine will light up like a Christmas tree.

K.Flyer

Boggles wrote: »

Has she?

More than likely a temporary passport issued by the embassy.

Most likely travelling on single use only emergency travel document.

rgossip30

A little reminder of her past and what officials are dealing with !!
https://www.thesun.ie/news/4818698/lisa-smith-married-four-times-leaving-jihad-syria/

tuxy

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

If this knut didnt loose her citizenship...nobody can

Not true, someone who is a citizen of another recognised country could have their Irish citizenship removed legally.

is_that_so

elperello wrote: »

Forcible adoption blighted this country for many years.
We are still trying to deal with the human misery it caused.
We are not going back there.

The child also has family here and is not guilty of the sins of her mother or father.

elperello

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

If this knut didnt loose her citizenship...nobody can

Exactly.
The Government can't leave a citizen stateless and exile them, it's not the Middle Ages.

is_that_so

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

If this knut didnt loose her citizenship...nobody can

She's Irish so she can't, but naturalisation can be revoked for those not born here.

Boggles

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

They can,but she has a passport now.

Has she?

More than likely a temporary passport issued by the embassy.

[Deleted User]

Brian? wrote: »

What agendas?

Getting themselves a cushy well paid EU job.

Odyssey 2005

Boggles wrote: »

No there isn't, you can't actually name any so stop with your usual nonsense.

The 2 options are little Justin Cosplay Nazi or Full Blown Simpleton Gemma.

Anyone that votes for them should have their citizenship revoked.

If this knut didnt loose her citizenship...nobody can

elperello

biko wrote: »

The child could be set up for adoption.
That way the child will grow up in a normal Irish household with parents that have no sense of its history.
It will grow up normally and not prepped by it's mother to wage jihad

And Lisa cannot use it to play the system and the bleeding hearts.

Forcible adoption blighted this country for many years.
We are still trying to deal with the human misery it caused.
We are not going back there.

Boggles

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Oh, what happened to everyone else?:rolleyes:

Go on then, name the alternative non main stream parties?

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Nobody gives a **** about those 2 as Election Day will tell.

Oh the sad part is there is, the are few in number, and the person I was responding to will be voting for one of them.

Irishmale0399

ricero wrote: »

Child could grow up and continue on her mother and fathers work.

Not worth the risk.

Absolute sick statement....

The child is young enough to have positive influences in her life and deserves a chance. She is, nor is any child for that matter, not responible for her parents or their actions.

Odyssey 2005

Yurt! wrote: »

EU nationals can be refused entry to another EU country on public order, public health or public security grounds.

This right of member nations to refuse entry is strictly interpreted, but I'd imagine that Lisa given her history could find herself on a blacklist and won't be holidaying in Benidorm quite as freely as you'd imagine.

This is another reason why the Irish authorities will be under pressure to secure a conviction.

A lot of misinformation on this thread.

They can,but she has a passport now. In all the times I've been asked for mine in the ports in France, the officer just gave a cursory glance at it. I've never been stopped in the uk ports,so she does have free access to Europe

Brian?

elperello wrote: »

You are correct about our legislation deficit with regard to handling cases like this.

The Government should press ahead with the correct legislation without any further delay.

However such legislation could not be applied to the LS case.

Absolutely. If people break the law they should be punished. Equally the government can’t ignore the law as they please.

Brian?

biko wrote: »

The child could be set up for adoption.
That way the child will grow up in a normal Irish household with parents that have no sense of its history.
It will grow up normally and not prepped by it's mother to wage jihad

And Lisa cannot use it to play the system and the bleeding hearts.

Bleeding hearts? You think everyone who doesn’t think a child should be removed and forcibly adopted is a bleeding heart? Have some sense.

elperello

tuxy wrote: »

Leo must really want a nice job in the EU. He has done everything perfectly under international law, this is something I'm happy about.

But he does not care about Irish citizens and has not ensured there is adequate legislation in place for cases like this.

You are correct about our legislation deficit with regard to handling cases like this.

The Government should press ahead with the correct legislation without any further delay.

However such legislation could not be applied to the LS case.

tuxy

Brian? wrote: »

It’s pretty simple, he has no grá for them at all. But the Irish government are obligated to do certain things, including admitting their own citizens.

I’ve zero time for ISIS, but we live in a society of laws. You can’t decide to break the law without punishment and the government of the day shouldn’t be able to either.

It's madness the same people who are calling for laws to be enforced to the full extent here are also saying we should disregard international law and international commitments. No self awareness.

Brian?

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

if he doesn’t win the next election he’s on the next plane to Brussels for a cushy number over there.

It’s quite shocking to see him and others in govt actively putting other agendas over the Irish national interest.

What agendas?