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Hospital Bed Fetish?

MrAbyss

What is it about people having to have a hospital bed asap?

There is an obsession with them. Added to this the, media hyperbole that somehow a hospital trolley is akin to some kind of medieval torture device used in hospitals with the specific purpose of murdering hospital patients. A trolley is a bed with wheels. I have been in hospital a few times and I was on a trolley. It was a bed except it had wheels - which I couldn't see - and I was taken care of.

I sometimes get the impression that some people in this country think a hospital should be like a hotel or something. If they save your life on either a trolley or a bed, what does it matter: they saved your life.

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whiskeyman

Hello Mr Harris.

[Deleted User]

Tell me about it. People having the audacity to fall ill and require medical attention. It's a disgrace Joe.

blueshade

Maybe ask the 90 year old woman who has spent two days on a trolley in hospital how she feels about it? A hospital bed is more comfortable than a trolley and at least there's a curtain around a hospital bed in a ward to give people a little bit of privacy. Not sure how you can't see that there's a difference or why people wouldn't want to be on a trolley.

TheValeyard

You're living up to your name OP

Charlie19

That's sick.

voldejoie

blueshade wrote: »

Maybe ask the 90 year old woman who has spent two days on a trolley in hospital how she feels about it? A hospital bed is more comfortable than a trolley and at least there's a curtain around a hospital bed in a ward to give people a little bit of privacy. Not sure how you can't see that there's a difference or why people wouldn't want to be on a trolley.

Another depressing aspect to that 90 year old woman spending two days on a trolley is that we're supposedly in the 'good times' at the moment. God only knows what state things will be in when the next recession hits.

[Deleted User]

TheValeyard wrote: »

You're living up to your name OP

He's ascending to new depths.

ednwireland

i spent 13 hours on a trolley they are narrow with thin mattresses. they arent designed for lying on for days on end.
very uncomfortable. I was hooked up to various monitors and iv drips so couldn't move much so it gets uncomfortable quite quickly

Leg End Reject

Lack of privacy, lined up against the wall, maybe having to use a commode with a thin screen to preserve your modesty if you can't make it to the toilet, endless stream of medical professionals, patients and visitors passing by you, bright lights 24 hrs a day, ignored when life-threatening emergencies are wheeled past you. Then on top of all that you're sick.

Yeah, I don't think it's a fetish.

Big Ears

In some cases a trolley will be absolutely fine to cater to a patient for a day or two.

But they are not nearly as comfortable as beds, they are not as adjustable as beds and they are not sufficient for the care of a lot of people.
Part of the problem is that those requiring beds are more likely to be elderly, more likely to have an orthopedic issue and more likely to be in extreme discomfort than the general population.
It's simply not suitable for people in those scenarios.

There was 57 people on trolleys in CUH on Thursday morning and 90 something in Cork hospitals total. You can be sure for a large percentage of those people, a trolley will not have adequately met their needs.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

When you’re on a trolley, it’s not just about the bed, it’s about the location. You’re parked up somewhere that isn’t very restful usually and that matters a lot when you’re not feeling well.

Ubbquittious

How come they never run out of trolleys?

Your Face

Ubbquittious wrote: »

How come they never run out of trolleys?

Thats a wheelie good question.

Insect Overlord

Oh, MrAbyss, never change.

Tom Mann Centuria

Ubbquittious wrote: »

How come they never run out of trolleys?

They do. Then the ambulance waits outside until one becomes available. There are literally no more beds to put on corridors or trolleys to put in ED or MAU in my local hospital.

Big Ears

Ubbquittious wrote: »

How come they never run out of trolleys?

They do. I've seen occasions where they were waiting for discharges just to get people on a trolley.

Spanish Eyes

When my dear late mother was ill with many issues, and we had to visit A+E quite regularly, we got the drill eventually.

Bring an ipad and play her fave movies/YouTube clips with earphones of course. Free wifi in the hospital helped! Bring a fluffy and comfortable blanket in the ambulance too. Bring an eye mask like you get on a plane.

We as a family did this over many visits to AE but I suppose we were veterans. It must be awful on the first trip with blue lights.

In the ten or so years our dear Mam was ill with this and that, I cannot fault St. James Hospital at all. Even though they were stretched on many an occasion, our mam was always treated with dignity and respect, and was NEVER on a trolley for more than an hour or so.

It is not all bad news you know. Just saying.

20Wheel

Limited amount of cash.

We can't have both hospital beds and €3000 per month luxury apartments as social homes.

(As per the thread in current events.)

Snotty

It has next to nothing to do with the bed shape. People on trollies mean they are above capacity, the ward has a number of patients that is a ratio to the number of staff needed to give a suitable level of care, when over this ratio it effects all patients, even those on bed, the staff are not capable of giving the correct care to any patient when they have to look after more people than is suitable.
You will see some hospitals with people on trollies but yet they have wards closed, they cannot open a ward without the correct number of staff but they can throw as many people as possible onto trollies.

Spanish Eyes

Would there be any advantage in having a minor injuries unit attached to the main A+E, where after triage, the patients wait there instead of on a trolley?

I really don't know how it would work, just throwing it out. But I suppose every injury or illness would have to be assessed by a doctor in the end so maybe that would not work.

I'm just trying to think of some way those with obvious emergency issues like cardiac, asthma attacks, broken limbs, car crash and assault victims etc. could be segregated from those who may not require immediate treatment.

The lack of out of hours GPs who can visit the patient in their home is not helping here either, but not blaming them.

MOH

TheValeyard wrote: »

You're living up to your name OP

Yep, obvious troll is obvious.

shamrock55

It's not the bed, it's where it is, trolleys whilst beds tend to be in corridors, a bed is in a fixed place and normally has medical equipment around it

sadie1502

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any advantage in having a minor injuries unit attached to the main A+E, where after triage, the patients wait there instead of on a trolley?

I really don't know how it would work, just throwing it out. But I suppose every injury or illness would have to be assessed by a doctor in the end so maybe that would not work.

I'm just trying to think of some way those with obvious emergency issues like cardiac, asthma attacks, broken limbs, car crash and assault victims etc. could be segregated from those who may not require immediate treatment.

The lack of out of hours GPs who can visit the patient in their home is not helping here either, but not blaming them.

They should set up areas that soley deal with cuts minor injuries stitches it should also be part of a&e but kept seperate. They would get through a lot more if minor injuries were taken out and dealt with separately.

Spanish Eyes

I also often wonder if medics both nurses doctors and other professionals could provide a clue as to how the issue might be solved.

I do think everyone tries their best, but sometimes the capacity is just not there to cater for everyone.

Ageing population is a big thing now. I've seen it so often, but everyone no matter their age (well in my experience) is treated the same.

171170

blueshade wrote: »

Maybe ask the 90 year old woman who has spent two days on a trolley in hospital how she feels about it? A hospital bed is more comfortable than a trolley and at least there's a curtain around a hospital bed in a ward to give people a little bit of privacy. Not sure how you can't see that there's a difference or why people wouldn't want to be on a trolley.

Ageist sh1te!

The bed should go to the ill person who has been waiting the longest on a trolley in A&E, regardless of their age and gender. That's real equality.

Aceandstuff

20Wheel wrote: »

Limited amount of cash.

We can't have both hospital beds and €3000 per month luxury apartments as social homes.

(As per the thread in current events.)

And printers.

Jurgen Klopp

Don't forget that the HSE has a freeze on home care hours. Basically if ya need home care you are waiting until someone in your county dies or manages to get into a home for those hours to become available, but don't forget your on a list then.

Then they are also stopping or at least throttling down people going into the nursing home through the fair deal due to funding issues.

So you get a large cohort of elderly and disabled who are stuck in hospital if they have no family to be their carer as they can't manage on their own.

Then the government and HSE have the cheek to refer to them as "bed blockers"

Zaph

As someone who once spent 26 hours on a trolley in A&E, I can assure the OP that they're most definitely not simply "beds with wheels". Due to the injuries I had I was unable to move position on the trolley, and as they're significantly firmer than beds it became very uncomfortable, very quickly. And this was when I was in my 30s and otherwise healthy. They are certainly no place for patients who are old and infirm, or who are properly sick, as opposed to the leg injuries I had, to have to spend more than a couple of hours at most. On top of that the trolleys are generally dumped in corridors with loads of passing traffic, so it's nearly impossible for patients to either get proper rest or preserve their dignity. I certainly don't think that it's too much to want to get a proper bed asap when you have all that crap going on.

Tom Mann Centuria

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I also often wonder if medics both nurses doctors and other professionals could provide a clue as to how the issue might be solved.

I do think everyone tries their best, but sometimes the capacity is just not there to cater for everyone.

Ageing population is a big thing now. I've seen it so often, but everyone no matter their age (well in my experience) is treated the same.

Better social care, give people back the care hours they lost, reopen the community hospitals and hospital beds that have been closed. More capacity in every "front line" hospital, more specialist consultants. Some could be done with more money pretty quickly (care hours), some will take much longer (increasing capacity in hospitals).

What's going to change in reality though? Nothing.

Tom Mann Centuria

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Don't forget that the HSE has a freeze on home care hours. Basically if ya need home care you are waiting until someone in your county dies or manages to get into a home for those hours to become available, but don't forget your on a list then.

Then they are also stopping or at least throttling down people going into the nursing home through the fair deal due to funding issues.

So you get a large cohort of elderly and disabled who are stuck in hospital if they have no family to be their carer as they can't manage on their own.

Then the government and HSE have the cheek to refer to them as "bed blockers"

Nailed it.