AlekSmart wrote: » Good question,all the same....Out of nowhere...one girl on strike from school somewhere. Something just isn't right here,but in the maelstrom of media concoctions,once we have the skeleton we can hang a lot more upon it.....https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-10-10/how-did-teen-climate-activist-greta-thunberg-rise-fame-so-quickly Greta's star will wane in time,the World will find something else to be concerned over,but as can be seen above,Greta may well simply find another topic to be motivated by...it's all quite odd really....odder and odder...
Ash.J.Williams wrote: » she's had some affect on people all the same
Tell me how wrote: » We've hadGreta is being abused. Greta's parents are pushing her. She is mentally incapable of understanding the situation. She is just a puppet. Organisations are just using her to make it look like they care. She is a hypocrite. She should still be in school. She's just 16 and knows nothing. There is no climate problem. There has always been problems with the climate. It's all an excuse to tax, tax, tax. What about the RCP4.5? And now this nonsense about a pseudo-comparison with a non-existent thread. I wonder what will tomorrow bring?
Fr_Dougal wrote: » Greta is Antifa, how the he’ll could take anything she says seriously. Then again she doesn’t say a whole lot off script, she’s like a puppet for hire and her reward is being able to mitch off school.
Tuisceanch wrote: » Which was the objective so if people were encouraged who hadn't paid much attention to this issue beforehand then that must be considered a positive outcome. A better informed public makes for more informed debate and better decision making.
Tell me how wrote: » Bingo.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » https://www.thejournal.ie/climate-emergency-eu-parliament-4909666-Nov2019/ Lol. Hopefully some measures to stop encouraging mindless consumerism are brought in with this declaration.
is_that_so wrote: » There is a blind assumption on the part of those who claim they knew that nobody else knew about it before she emerged. The claims of the world ending in a decade does not bring anything to any debate, any more than than the weight of the L'Oreal stat of 1000 scientists agreeing this is true. As far as we know is the only thing we can say and even there within science there are questions about timescale. The whole thing has morphed into some type of gloom porn, which people will tire of if they haven't already. Once you get past the concept of a difficult change there need to be practical solutions. She has none, apart from listening to the scientists and scientists are too busy putting their names to documents en masse. That there is such a huge volume of paperwork regularly produced on this issue would encourage a cynic to ask if there is any other research going on in any other field elsewhere. If we have reached a tipping point it's in alarm-raising and it is time to move on to the practical solutions! So let's see what these scientists are made of!
is_that_so wrote: » Nope, we'll keep on doing that, but an action plan from the EU they can sell would be good. Inclined to agree with Sean Kelly comment from that piece.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » The lazy india china answer that you all love on boards
Fine Gael MEP Sean Kelly told EuroParlRadio that’s he’s all for “increasing ambition” to tackle the climate crisis but “you cannot force it on people without having something in place to do so”. Kelly said that even if Europe managed to become carbon neutral there’s “a bigger job” to do.“Maybe a more important job is convincing the Brazils the United States, the Chinas, and the Indias of this world, that they have to be as ambitious as us, then we’ll really make progress”.
gozunda wrote: » Well no. According to the EU article you linked above - theres a lot more than just a couple of well informed posters on Boards aware of these very significant issues Maybe mr Kelly is a regular on boards :eek:
“Maybe a more important job is convincing the Brazils the United States, the Chinas, and the Indias of this world, that they have to be as ambitious as us, then we’ll really make progress”.
Tuisceanch wrote: » Yes that's absolutely true but how exactly? Hopefully,Mr. Kelly makes an appearance,if he hasn't already,as that would provide a useful insight.I suspect he's too busy though.
Dr. Bre wrote: » Will she make an appearance on the toy show tonight ? Considering RThaving been going nuts about climate change recently I wouldn’t be surprised
weldoninhio wrote: » I'd be very surprised if she could teleport from the middle of the ocean to Donnybrook.
Is individual action pointless in the face of climate change?
"The point", she told me as we bobbed in Plymouth Sound, "is to create an opinion. By stopping flying, you don't only reduce your own carbon footprint but also that sends a signal to other people around you that the climate crisis is a real thing and that helps push a political movement."
"So you're trying to make the rest of us feel guilty?"
"No", she replied calmly, and explained she doesn't think it is her job to tell other people how to live their lives. Rather, her convictions must guide her own behaviour.
"I don't fly because of the enormous climate impact of aviation per person."
Previously, she's tried attending conferences by video link but it just doesn't make as much of an impression. "I think it will have a bigger impact if I and many other young people are actually there".
We are not the free-thinking independent spirits we imagine ourselves to be
What we know as social psychologists is that people are very influenced by what others do, even though we don't think we are
"It's a paradox. We think we make our own decisions, but the truth is we look to others for guidance about how we should behave." When it comes to climate change, the problem is that we just aren't getting the cues we need from our friends and families or, for that matter, from government and business, she says.
weldoninhio wrote: » Peer Reviewed Paper Curry & Lewis paper – Climate models exaggerating up to 45% warminghttps://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JCLI-D-17-0667.1
Regarding climate change, she thinks that the IPCCreports typically neglect what she calls the "Uncertainty Monster"[4] in projecting future climate trends, which she calls a "wicked problem."[5] Curry also hosts a popular science blog in which she writes on topics related to climate science and the science-policy interface.[6] In 2019 she stated that she would not “bother with” peer-reviewed journals, in favor of publishing her own papers so that she could editorialize and write what she wanted “without worrying about the norms and agendas of the ‘establishment.’”.[7]
gozunda wrote: » Well she appears not to be dissimilar in her travel methods to a previous much loved media idol - Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz - when she found herself far from home just had to stamp her feet / click her heels and be magically transported there. Maybe in the spirit of the season she could do the same for the toy show no? Note the 'denier' in the corner...
Dr. Bre wrote: » Will she make an appearance on the toy show tonight ? Considering RTÉ having been going nuts about climate change recently I wouldn’t be surprised
At the dinner table, instead of a swear jar we have a hypothetical climate change jar, because the amount of times I talk about climate change is ridiculous.We emailed the 'Toy Show' about making a stand on plastic and trying to bring in more environmentally friendly toys, so we'll see if they paid any attention. It's all about educating people.
Tuisceanch wrote: » Strawman - AgricultureTinman - IndustryCowardly lion (Politicians) - Realizing the need to act but lacking the courage to speak out until a child gives him the confidence to do so.Wicked Witch of the West - Oil industryWinged Monkeys - Climate 'Sceptic?' Scientists funded by vested interests.It's a good analogy. You might be on to something there?
gozunda wrote: » Does everyone who points out that a proposal or political stance does not stand up to scrutiny have to provide a diametric position for you? Why is that? That very odd position not only assumes a fallacy of opposition but where anyone points out that something lacks validity, you bizarrely believe - it is necessary to come up with an alternative. News for you - it doesn't. And get out of here with 'the message greta is trying to communicate'. She's a teenager - apparently prone to tantruns and exaggeration and getting her own way. And yet hilariously we have those who would hold her up as shining light. But you know that already. And interestingly my position on the issue you allude to above has not changed btw. So less of the old daft personalisations there thanks.
Akrasia wrote: » for about a million years humans managed to live without altering the chemistry of the atmosphere and oceans)
[Deleted User] wrote: » this thread is about what messenger is chosen to deliver what message. it's not a thread to discuss climate change.
jackboy wrote: » For that million years catastrophic climate change occurred over and over again. Regardless of what we do, catastrophic climate change is going to happen. We should try to prepare for this (we won’t), obsessing about carbon is a massive distraction.
