El_Duderino 09 wrote: » That's a really interesting history of the Ferrari veto. But the last paragraph ignores the fact that ferrari are probably the worst value for money team on the grid. Saying they don't win so they obviously don't make the rules is like saying they don't always win so they must not have the biggest budget. Ferrari are without doubt the best team at ballsing up the sweet little deals they get. I mean, the Ferrari Road cars are synonymous with bring unreliable and expensive to maintain. They still manage to carry on even though they make a poor product and have an incredible reputation so it balances out. A bit like the F1 outfit. They have all the advantages of biggest fan Base, biggest revenue and more influence on the rules than any other team. But still they're not the best.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » So he is about as good as a rookie at setting up the car and it's Al downhill from there. Sometimes the harder people try to make something sound good, the more obvious it becomes that you have to try really hard to make it look good. Right now Russell is just shy of half a second ahead of kubica which would be about normal for quali and the race. We'll see how fp1 finishes. Update: Russell put in a fast lap to go 1.2s ahead of kubica. Kubica improves to 0.9 slower than Russell They were both on soft until now. Half an hour to go and Russell switching to hards, kubica to mediums so that's likely it. I'm not seeing the legendary setup ability or the "hop in the car and go fast straight away" ability either. But only looking at the reality so prompt seeing what others are seeing.
muckwarrior wrote: » I notice that Kubica often matches or even beats Russell in FP1, but then Russell pulls ahead as the weekend goes on. I wonder is this a sign that Kubica's driving instincts are still superior but it's just his phyiscal disability that stops him reaching the limit. I.e. he can get straight in the car and go fast, or get the setup right very quickly, but then as more strength is required to get the last few percent out of the car he just doesn't have it?
H3llR4iser wrote: » If they were effectively "making the rules", this wouldn't really happen; Actually, the current rules were pretty much tailor-made to bring Mercedes into the utter dominance we've been seeing. Either Ferrari don't use their veto powers as much as people think they do, or they're so clueless they can't even figure out the rules they wanted.
AMKC wrote: » Oh that's very interesting alright. I actually laughed with delight when I seen the headline.
H3llR4iser wrote: » oooh, this might start shedding a bit of light about why Ferrari suddenly started facing accusations of various sorts lately:https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-unhappy-with-ferrari-for-not-blocking-2021-rules/?utm_source=vuukle&utm_medium=talk_of_town
PopePalpatine wrote: » Well, I guess I'll be waiting for C4's highlights this weekend.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Ah I'm sorry to hear that about Bottas. Seems like a private guy so I imagine he won't enjoy being asked about that by journalists, 20 times a day. Now that you've told me I'll be sure not to click on any stories about it.
ELM327 wrote: » It's unfortunate because before the accident he had a lot of potential (even mooted with a move to ferrari). He's done well to get back to the grid but I agree he's off the pace and even in a nothing car like the williams this year, which is often statistically worse than the hrt/marussias etc were, it's not good enough.
pjohnson wrote: » Vettel has just had his third child and is skipping the press conferences today, Bottas has to take a grid penalty due to his Brazil engine expiring. Bottas has also announced on twitter he is getting a divorce.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Depends. If he's within half a second of Russell, he'll be both a step up bit could still be a complete failure. Kubica is without doubt one of the furthest off the pace of the last decade. There were some Exclusively pay drivers who were bad. But kubica is a pay driver now too.
pjohnson wrote: » Russell has been very badly underappreciated this year.
skipper_G wrote: » I think people don't appreciate how good Russell is because he's been in a terrible car, he's been very far ahead of Kubica. Latifi will almost certainly be an improvement on Kubica but how much of an improvement is an unknown. The bigger unknown is if Williams can remember how to build a racing car again.
pjohnson wrote: » Latifi wasnt a patch on Russell last time they competed in the same level. Russell won F2 on the 1st attempt. Latifi finally made runner up (although he could loose that depending on last F2 race) at the 4th attempt. His money kept him in F2. I know some have decided Kubica is the worst F1 driver ever in history from before he ever got in the Williams so of course Latifi will be called a huge step up no matter what. Doubt he will be a patch on Russell.
Cork Trucker wrote: » Doesn’t Alonso hold the record for most consecutive races out qualifying a team mate? Needless to say I can see Russell breaking it next year with Latifi. Also is it a record for Russell to do same in a debut F1 season? The status quo is highly unlikely to change this weekend
pjohnson wrote: » Latifi wasnt a patch on Russell last time they competed in the same level. Russell won F2 on the 1st attempt. Latifi finally made runner up (although he could loose that depending on last F2 race) at the 4th attempt. I know some have decided Kubica is the worst F1 driver ever in history from before he ever got in the Williams so of course Latifi will be called a huge step up no matter what. Doubt he will be a patch on Russell.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I'd me amazed if he doesn't do better than kubica. The man has a physical disability. We don't even know if Russell is good yet because we only have Kubica to compare him to. In hindsight, Kubica coming back was crazy. In his absence from the sport his legend grew. In truth we have lost perspective on how good he ever was because his talent was exaggerated beyond recognition when he was gone from the sport. I'd eat my hat if latifi isn't better than kubica.
pjohnson wrote: » After 4 years he is runner up. And the F2 field is regarded as being weaker this year. Be amazed if he does better than Kubica.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Probably fair enough. Latifi is 24 so not a child prodigy but being in contention for the f2 title suggests he's on a good run of form. Pity for hulk and kubica but probably fair enough. Hulk had had an alright season - but alright is about the peak of his career. He's more or less matched DRic this year so not a good year for him to be at hulk's league. I wonder whether he'll be able to get back to good form.
