Signore Fancy Pants wrote: » Migrants? It defo wasnt soldiers landing in Bal. Im one of the lads that came home from Lebanon last Monday...we landed in Dublin airport.
ChikiChiki wrote: » We are flying in migrants now to fuel the lucrative Direct Provision industry. That sounds like another can of worms has inadvertently got caught up in this ffs.
ChikiChiki wrote: » ISIS are the most barbaric group of our time. At the point Lisa Smith joined them there were videos online a couple of years at that stage of them throwing people of buildings for their sexuality and burning people alive in cages. They actively went out of their way to give people the most appalling torturous deaths. You can be guaranteed all of us on boards who didn't agree with them would meet a ghastly end if it came to it. She knew what she was getting into. Absolutely 110% she should be left stateless. It sets a strong precedent. I do not want to see her walking the streets of Ireland whatsoever.
Mules wrote: » If someone commits a crime in Syria should they not face Syrian justice?
ChikiChiki wrote: » Absolutely 110% she should be left stateless.
tuxy wrote: » Is that actually an option? I know it is illegal under international law but do you know of some loophole?
171170 wrote: » We probably need a Constitutional amendment that would enable the State to remove Irish Citizenship from anyone in exceptional circumstances*. Perhaps this could be done only following Dail and Seanad votes where a 67% majority (say) is achieved. * To the best of my knowledge currently no such provision exists, although I'd welcome any correction if I'm wrong. If it's illegal under international law, I'm sure we could come to some arrangement with the likes of Angola or Libya to arrange alternative citizenship for the individual.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » We are a party to the 1954 UN Convention on Stateless persons so this is not going to happen.
Gods Gift wrote: » So the Irish government cannot just cancel someone’s passport when out of the country? Always thought that would be a useful tool to have for when well know criminals and drug dealers went to Spain for 1 of their dozen or so yearly holidays.
171170 wrote: » We probably need a Constitutional amendment that would enable the State to remove Irish Citizenship from anyone in exceptional circumstances*. Perhaps this could be done only following Dail and Seanad votes where a 67% majority (say) is achieved. * To the best of my knowledge currently no such provision exists, although I'd welcome any correction if I'm wrong. Addendum: If it's illegal under international law, I'm sure we could come to some arrangement with the likes of Angola or Libya to arrange alternative citizenship for the individual concerned.
ted1 wrote: » Saudis? It was America that started it, they shifted the whole balance in the region that created ISIS
Deleted User wrote: » True enough. We don't. But we could 'allow' her to be taken by US intelligence for her terrorist links, and so, she disappears into Guantanamo Bay. And we have allowed the US intelligence forces to operate on Irish soil, with very weak objections, that were quickly forgotten. She's a member of an international terrorist organisation. She might claim to have left but I suspect it's like the Mafia. Once in, never completely out. She should be tried as a terrorist, and exiled to some other country that is willing to settle the matter.
tuxy wrote: » How would that be a good thing? Ireland would also end up with criminals from other counties that we can't remove. It would just become some weird game of passing as many criminals as you can off on other countries. Do you not think countries have any responsibility for their citizens?
Fr_Dougal wrote: » We tend not to deport criminals anyway, lots of criminal asylum seekers etc are not deported.
jmreire wrote: » Yes, under our Law's and Constitution....and of course our "Democracy "...I have often made the point that "Democracy will be the death of Democracy", and your post is a case in point. Radical Islam ( or indeed any Islam) but the radical version's especially, are completely anti-democratic. Unless the govt comes up with a solution, legally and democratically, there is not a lot that can be done with Lisa.( except 24/7 monitoring etc ) The same situation would not exist in an Islamic Country.
A serving officer of the British Royal Marines declared: "It (internment) has, in fact, increased terrorist activity, perhaps boosted IRA recruitment, polarised further the Catholic and Protestant communities and reduced the ranks of the much needed Catholic moderates"
BalcombeSt4 wrote: » So to keep Democracy alive we should be anti-Democratic? That's a terrible point you keep making, if you do indeed make it often. Do you know what ended Democracy in Spain? Anti-Democratic forces, the Left won the election so the military & Fascist forces launched a coup that started a bloody civil war. A similar sort of pattern happened in many South & Central American countries in the 50's, 60's, 70's, like in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil etc... Democratic forces like Allende's Chile win elections, military coup launched, military juanta installed. Do you know what ended Democracy in Russia? Anti-Democratic forces, the Left won the election so the Bolshevik forces launched a coup that started a bloody civil war. Do you know what ended Democracy in Germany? Power was handed to Anti-Democratic forces who passed laws to end Democracy there, similar situation in Italy were power was handed to Fascists. Do you know what strenghtend Democracy in Britain after WW2 when Democracy was very shaky? The passing of more Democratic laws by Attlee's Government. Thatcher crushing local government & Trade Unions in the 80's was a worrying sign. I can't think of one case in point were being more Democratic destroyed Democracy. And I don't know how it would weaken Democracy in this case either, as far as I know Lisa Smith doesn't lead a large Fascist party in Ireland that is poised to gain a majority in the Dail at the next election, and isn't a commander of any part of the Irish Army that could launch a coup at any moment. I think people on the right would secretly like a terrorist attack to happen i Ireland carried out by Muslims, so they can turn around and say "haha we told you so, stupid SJW's", because everything they are suggesting would only increase terrorist activity. I'm not arguing that a terrorist attack isn't possible it is, but lumping all Muslims together as terrorists & claim their incapable of being Democratic only helps to alienate Muslims in this country & increases the likehood of terrorists attacking Ireland. Britain learned this the hard way in the 70's when they stuck only Catholic people in concentration camps & only shot at Catholic civilians. So these anti-Democratic measures will only help boost the cause of ISIS & other Muslim extremists so they can turn around & say "look, I told you these people were all bigots who hate Muslims". And people like Choudary would jump at the chance to exploit it.
Gerianam wrote: » She is coming home. Irish Independent Tuesday 26 November 2019 Isis bride Lisa Smith expected back in Ireland this week and will be questioned by anti-terror gardai
bigroad wrote: » They must be same anti terror gardai that were in Rosslare recently.
Allinall wrote: » Were there terrorists in Rosslare? Why didn’t you report it?
bigroad wrote: » I wasn't there were you.
tuxy wrote: » As doubtful as there being anti terror gardai(is that a thing?) there.
bigroad wrote: » They should be there whena truck load of unknown middle eastern men land in from a war torn country.wouldn't you think.
