Banzai600 wrote: » Are you kidding, im biking many years, RSA & motorists hate motorbikes & scooters, not a hope you'd get ppl onto a scooter or bike. Its an alternative that wouldnt be considered by any politician / government, but would make a big difference.
magicbastarder wrote: » for getting to work? i live in dublin 9 and my office is in leopardstown. you couldn't pay me to drive there; i've been living here seven years and not once in that seven years have i driven. granted, i have lots of bus options at the house end and a luas stop a short walk from the office at the other end - and i'm lucky with that - but this is what we should be aiming for.
MJohnston wrote: » And I drive an i3 (not into the city, because I'm not an asshole, at least in that regard), but I keep myself informed enough to know that EVs still create substantial and dangerous localised air pollution:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/microplastics-lung-development-air-pollution-car-tyres-dispatches-a8951201.html Everyone pays for the road, car owner or driver or not. There is no special status that allows car commuters to claim they deserve access to roads. Especially in Dublin city, where they are vastly outnumbered by tax-paying individuals who use less-selfish commuting methods. The best thing about car commuters is they are their own worst enemy - they're the ones inhaling the most air pollution (even if you're driving an EV!) - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/13/cyclists-exposed-to-less-air-pollution-than-drivers-on-congested-routes-study So, the likelihood of you being long dead sooner rather than later, is pretty high.
MJohnston wrote: » Congestion charges don't really solve much because the rich drivers who tend to clog up the roads are willing to pay them. The most effective thing to do would be to cut off access to parking. As I mentioned earlier, remove all on-street parking metres (leaving only resident's permits as an option in applicable areas), re-introduce the private office parking space levies (and make them even more punitive), start making it much harder for cars to reach multi-storey car parks in the city, etc. After that, we should start exploring more and more pedestrianisation (thankfully DCC seem to actually be interested in this), cutting off space otherwise gobbled up by private cars. Leave space for public transport however! Once all that is done, might be worth exploring a toll on crossing the canals or something like that.
donvito99 wrote: » Your taxes don't even come close to paying a) for the roads or b) for maintaining the roads. I'd say the majority of people using public transport in Dublin also pay road tax, but leave their traffic causing device at home.
donvito99 wrote: » Your "road" tax doesn't even come close to paying a) for the roads or b) for maintaining the roads. I'd say the majority of people using public transport in Dublin also pay road tax, but leave their traffic causing device at home.
Seve OB wrote: » you seem to be very anti driving. why? if you don't want to drive, don't. I drive because I want to, its simple, its quicker, its flexible, I can afford to, its cheaper than taxis, its reliable and I enjoy it
magicbastarder wrote: » this is an argument i really don't like. the claim that 'i have an entitlement to drive as much as i like because i pay for it' ignores the fact that motoring has a lot of externalised costs. e.g. if you want to pay for an expensive watch - you pay your money and take your choice, and you get to enjoy your watch and that's great - and most other people would be barely aware. but motoring has a societal cost; no amount of money spent by a motorist who drives through the city centre, will restitute the effect that has on other people (mainly non-motorists); be it clogging up the roads with horrendously inefficient vehicles, the CO2 emissions created by doing to, the danger externalised onto more exposed road users, etc. etc. in short - i don't *care* if you've paid money to drive your car, it makes life more difficult for me, and i can't pay money to take back the effects of your choice.
Banzai600 wrote: » i have to laugh at the hate for car drivers. Get off your high horses ffs :rolleyes: There are no alternatives for ppl who traverse across the city , who are not on a luas / dart line, or close to where they work or can avail of cycle lanes - great if you are a few kms from city, but thats it. No good if you are 5+ miles away from your job. i know a few ppl who traverse north to south and vice versa via M50. Torture, stress etc. they average 1.5 / 2hrs from sandyford to coolock exit say and same going other way, the M50 is over capacity in the eve's and mornings. What else are they supposed to do, the city is grid locked too. i cross the city most days by using a motorbike, / scooter. I have noticed that volume everywhere is growing at a rapid rate, even at the weekends, roads are very busy. Ive seen more road rage and multiple ppl in screaming matches at traffic lights etc, gunning for each other and weekly its worse. Also know 3 ppl who use the bus services to commute, from north to south & north to west, it takes them 2 / 2.5 hrs to get to work, and another person who goes from D6 to drumconcdra area, its 2hrs. Why would you want to sit on a bus, 20hrs a week of your life. re M50 accidents, some just happen genuinely, but there is a lot of aggression, tail gating , ppl on phones, ppl on tablets, bus drivers / some trucks hogging lanes etc. Not to mention the ones using hard shoulders, crossing median strips, coming off aux lane to jump back on, up an over the exits / entrances to beat queues and blazing through red lights while doing so at the top of the slips. Slowing the average speed down will not work, irish drivers dont have the etiquette / courtesy you find in other countries and ive driven a very wide range of countries abroad on 2 and four wheels. The m50 is past capacity to cope. Plus its the best cash cow in the country that keeps on giving, dont upset the shareholders will you.... the outer ring road should be done, bringing ppl into the city to go back out again is out of pure greed, there has to be an alternative miles out of the city to put in another road to link M4 , M7 etc, but again the m50 is bringing in the money and lots of it. If you look at the samuel beckett bridge, you cant go left coming from point depot , as the council want you to use the eastlink instead - thats a fact. it'll never be fixed, will only get worse.
Idbatterim wrote: » electric cars are very interesting, I read a very interesting article the other day about a university and say there were driverless cars (they gave a group of people , a chauffeur driven car for a week) it resulted in far more trips being taken. There will be an issue with electric cars in the future, of course unless they charge per km travelled etc. Currently, you can fuel and tax your ev for as good as free. when you have the sunk cost of that, who is going to take public transport, unless it offers a time saving (a quality service where you are a few min walk to luas from your home and a few minute walk on the other end, it can save a lot of time and stress) I live a few km from town near luas and a good bus route, I generally dont drive into town, stress of it, rip off parking etc. But there are so many journeys I undertake, where any option other than driving, is laughable!
Maddox Cool Motorbike wrote: » What have electric vehicles got to do with congestion? A car is a car.
ELM327 wrote: » If you bothered to read his post you'd see his point. Higher sunk cost + nearly free to run vs the cheaper to buy but more expensive to run fossil cars. Also electric cars move the pollution from the city roads to the power plants
ELM327 wrote: » So much nonsense and car hate. Is this the cycling or bus forum?
I guess that's where we differ. If it cost me more and took longer, I would still take the car.
Not withstanding the fact that anyone commuting on the bus/cycling/walking in the same area inhales the same polluted air anyway.
I don't like this implied - false - correlation between driving a car and being an asshole. You do realise that this forum is a subforum of the motoring forum?
I already pay a toll twice a day. I will pay, wait, whatever else obstacle (that will remain notional as none will get off the ground as they are too radical) you put out there, rather than take public transport.
No one pays road tax, it's motor tax. The tax is levied and entitles one to drive a road legal (insured and road worthy) vehicle on the public roads
Paying motor tax entitles one to drive a road legal (insured and road worthy) vehicle on the public roads
Quite frankly, I don't give a damn about your opinion, I and the thousands like me will continue to drive to work.
LeinsterDub wrote: » If you bothered to read you'll notice they said congestion as in traffic
electric cars are very interesting, I read a very interesting article the other day about a university and say there were driverless cars (they gave a group of people , a chauffeur driven car for a week) it resulted in far more trips being taken. There will be an issue with electric cars in the future, of course unless they charge per km travelled etc. Currently, you can fuel and tax your ev for as good as free. when you have the sunk cost of that, who is going to take public transport, unless it offers a time saving (a quality service where you are a few min walk to luas from your home and a few minute walk on the other end, it can save a lot of time and stress) I live a few km from town near luas and a good bus route, I generally dont drive into town, stress of it, rip off parking etc. But there are so many journeys I undertake, where any option other than driving, is laughable!
MJohnston wrote: » It's the Commuting and Transport forum, NOT the car driver forum. I'm sorry we couldn't give you the kind of safe spaces you clearly need! Oh, you didn't read the link, did you? It's also a subforum of the Transport forum. Again, I thought it was only snowflakes who wanted safe spaces? Excellent news! We're going to fund the Metrolink out of your pocket alone! Agreed, in other words - motor tax isn't a tax to pay for the upkeep of the roads. Sure, it doesn't entitle you to drive on every public road though. Therefore, we should increase the number of public roads that you're not entitled to drive on. Sorted. Sure, that has been obvious since your first post in this thread! That's my point, we need to say a big hearty "FU" to drivers like yourself, and make it impossible for you to continue to be selfish.
ELM327 wrote: » So I need a safe space, yet your best retort is to insult (say a big hearty "FU" to drivers like yourself, and make it impossible for you to continue to be selfish)?
ELM327 wrote: » Even if it were 25 mins in a super fast and free train direct from door to door I'd still take the car.
crossman47 wrote: » Why? I can't see any reason why anyone would make that choice.
Idbatterim wrote: » at this moment in time, you can fuel them for free. Tax nearly free. That could result in far more journeys being taken. Put petrol or diesel up to E2 a litre and see how that would impact use. Ill try find the link to the study, very interesting...
Why? I can't see any reason why anyone would make that choice.
trellheim wrote: » Me neither. People are saying here that if they had a railway with a guaranteed seat, table and power and a 2 min walk at either end and a train every 5 minutes plus a commuting time the same every day they would still use the car , you cant fix that attitude
trellheim wrote: Me neither. People are saying here that if they had a railway with a guaranteed seat, table and power and a 2 min walk at either end and a train every 5 minutes plus a commuting time the same every day they would still use the car , you cant fix that attitude
First Up wrote: » Anyone who'se life is empty enough to choose hours in traffic when alternatives are available deserves sympathy more than censure. I just hope he drives properly on the M50.
MJohnston wrote: » ESB just the other week started charging for charging, so it's no longer a free deal. Tax on my i3 isn't actually that much cheaper from the Mini I used to have, €170 a year now. Plus, even if you're in an EV, you're still stuck in godawful Dublin traffic. The only benefit really is not having to use the clutch all the time!
Idbatterim wrote: » its still as good as free compared to diesel or electric. People moved to diesel in their droves to save a few cent per litre and some mickey mouse motor tax savings for the most part. Electric would still be what? 98% cheaper than diesel maybe?
