The Nal wrote: » Not very appealing this morning, getting off a bus and standing in the rain waiting for the next one. It rains a lot here.
tom1ie wrote: » You wont remove cars unless there's a viable alternative in place. Therin lies the conundrum. Of course we wouldn't have this problem with an underground system.......... But we just don't have the money for that.
Nijmegen wrote: » Well, we're not Communist China so I wouldn't propose forcing people to work from home at gunpoint. I'd say you'd be talking about incentivisation rather than forcing it for working from home.
donvito99 wrote: » There are these things called 'buildings', there are even smaller type buildings called 'shelters'. Both have rooves and prevent the wind and rain getting at you.
tom1ie wrote: » You wont remove cars unless there's a viable alternative in place. Therin lies the conundrum.
The Nal wrote: » And do they cover you walking from the house to the bus stop? And from bus stop to bus stop. As an example, was offered an interview for a place in Eastpoint business park before. For me to get there via public transport would take me 2 hours every morning, including 2 buses with 10 minutes walking in between each bus. Its 5 miles from my house. Thats about a 20 minute trip on an underground in any progressive city. Yet there resistance to this. Baffling.
whippet wrote: » I did the whole south bound M50 run for over 15 year every day .. and saw the worst of it from the upgrade, celtic tiger, recession and now the return to the congestion. Our offices are after J10 and about 18 months ago it became so restrictive for most of our staff .. people arriving in to the office 2 hours before work started so they wouldn’t have to sit in traffic etc. Eventually it dawned on us that we can’t complain about the traffic when we are all part of it. So we made a decision that no body needs to come to the offic unless they want to .. everyone has the tool and tech to work from anywhere there is internet. Aside from taking the guts of 20 cars a day off the road everyone is much happier and productivity has increased dramatically - couple this with more family time and saving money on commuting we find staff retention is much easier. When we do need to visit customers in the city we can do this off peak and tend to bundle all out weekly meetings in to one day Another side effect is that we are all spending more money in our local communities. If the government can somehow bring in incentives for companies to introduce remote working it will take traffic off the roads, free up space for public transport and give an injection to small local economies.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Induced demand has an opposite effect. If you make PT better people will switch. Bus lane cameras, removing on street parking etc
MJohnston wrote: » Just because the current government won't remove cars doesn't mean they can't. Think about it, the simplest way to state the cycle we're trapped in is: 1. Before you remove cars, car drivers need better transport options. 2. Before you can add better transport options, you need to remove cars from the roads. Now, some will say that Metro or Luas are the solutions, but any beyond those already proposed are 10-plus-years solutions, at the very best. We need solutions that will start working within months, not decades. So, if you come back to those 2 steps above, it's pretty clear that it's physically impossible to make transport better without removing cars. But it's completely possible to remove cars before transport is better, in order to make it better. That's literally the only short-to-medium term way out of that destructive cycle. What needs to happen, and could happen with a strong will, within the next year or two: 1. Phased removal of non-residential permit-based street parking within Dublin City centre. 2. Reintroduce levies on private office car parks, and increase levies on MSCPs. 3. Legalisation of e-scooters, with an invitation to tender for rental firms like Lime/Bird/etc. 4. Upgrades to Dublin Bikes and Bleeperbikes to see the introduction of e-Bike fleets alongside the manual pedal cycles. 5. Expansion of the Dublin Bikes station network. 6. Rapid and increased spending on segregated cycling/scooter infrastructure throughout the city. 7. Acceleration of the BusConnects schedule. 8. Immediate and unencumbered funding of Metrolink. 9. Massively increased pedestrianisation throughout Dublin city centre. 10. Automated, widespread enforcement of bus lanes and gates throughout the country.
Nijmegen wrote: » I travel the M50 from the Northside to deep in the Southside, J6 to J13 or J14 and in, majority on the M50. I’d agree with variable tolls and, indeed, would pay more overall for my journey if it would reduce traffic by incentivising people to skip the m50. As it is I know folks who try escape the Northside tax and just go round from Blanch to Lucan. It actually is a little bit nonsensical after the infrastructure the toll was for was built to only have a toll affecting one junction pair. Has anyone with a similar north to south commute noticed that of late Google Maps etc is recommending not only the port tunnel, but a run straight through town as being usually faster than the M50. That about sums it up for me nowadays.
tom1ie wrote: » Yes. If. The only way you will make PT better is by removing cars, or building qbc's that take people's parking spaces, gardens, and trees a la bus connects (not disagreeing with it by any means) or we go underground.
tom1ie wrote: » Agree with 1-5, However solution 6 is part of bus connects Solutions 7 and 8 are not going to be delivered any quicker. You said that yourself. Solution 9: you can see the amount of uproar the college green plaza caused and the plans are still up in the air. 10: completley agree with you, however our minister for transport has no intention of agreeing to anpr cameras as he recently alluded to. In short, unless people are forced out of their cars on a Friday evening and proper PT is introduced Monday morning things will just get worse for the foreseeable future until the saviour sof our transport systems, the metro and bus connects are built - if they're ever built.
cdaly_ wrote: » It actually doesn't rain a lot here. . While there is an average of 15 rain days in Dublin per month, most of these are only a couple of hours and, even then, the rain is often sporadic so most of the minutes are actually dry. In my experience commuting by bike in dublin, I wear rain gear less than once per week so maybe 5-8% of my commutes are in rain.* Also, bus shelters... *Peers out window at current downpour*
Dravokivich wrote: » Any charges for the "ratrun" will just push me and others like me to congested residential areas. Which are actually problematic for rat runs and shouldn't be used as such.
Gael23 wrote: » It’s becoming intolerable now. In the evening it takes an hour to get from the quays to the red cow
tom1ie wrote: » Agree with 1-5, However solution 6 is part of bus connects
Solutions 7 and 8 are not going to be delivered any quicker. You said that yourself.
Solution 9: you can see the amount of uproar the college green plaza caused and the plans are still up in the air. 10: completley agree with you, however our minister for transport has no intention of agreeing to anpr cameras as he recently alluded to. In short, unless people are forced out of their cars on a Friday evening and proper PT is introduced Monday morning things will just get worse for the foreseeable future until the saviour sof our transport systems, the metro and bus connects are built - if they're ever built.
Idbatterim wrote: » the bus serves this journey though? I dont doubt its a total farce!
MJohnston wrote: » So does the Luas! And there's a Park and Ride!
Idbatterim wrote: » sorry yes I meant to say luas and updated my post. They build an entirely car dependent city and then put in roads, fit for a village! Its laughable!
crossman47 wrote: » Im not sure what you mean but many of the roads were there well before cars!
First Up wrote: » Some posters here need to understand what an orbital motorway is - and does. Maybe some if us could avoid using the M50 for journeys of one or two exits but the whole point of an orbital motorway is to take traffic off suburban roads. Rattle on about public transport alternatives all you want but in the short term, could we concentrate on more efficient (and accident free) use of what we have?
MJohnston wrote: I think it's mad to suggest that people using the M50 are not also using suburban roads. All the M50 is, is a giant distributer TO those suburban roads. This is all most orbital motorways are, in fact.
crossman47 wrote: » All of this discussion is ignoring the basic issue causing the problem that we can't do anything about now. We have allowed Dublin to spread out in all directions but any attempt to build up is resisted. Equally all infill developments are resisted by those already living handy to public transport. The result is good public transport becomes expensive because the density is not there.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Easily solved with quiteways
Dravokivich wrote: » I tried looking that up, but anything I found seems to reference cycle paths?
donvito99 wrote: » Not actual cycle paths but cul de sacs that are not permeable by cars.
