TUS Programme

MrsThomas wrote: »

Definitely taking your advice signing the letter yes for the interview and see where it takes me.
Interesting how seetec has seem to be failing the government yet they still invest in tus programme

The government came up with the Tús program during the bailout in 2010. My basic understanding is that the countries that bailed us out wanted those who are on any kind of welfare long term in Ireland should be forced to work in the community for a period of a year.
The Tús program has little to do with helping those on benefits trying to get work but more to do with appeasing the countries that funded the Irish bailout in 2010.

There was talk from Paschal Donahue of getting rid of the Tús scheme a couple of years ago but nothing has come of it:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fundamental-back-to-work-schemes-face-axe-under-budget-spending-review-35436463.html

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segosego89 wrote: »

The government came up with the Tús program during the bailout in 2010. My basic understanding is that the countries that bailed us out wanted those who are on any kind of welfare long term in Ireland should be forced to work in the community for a period of a year.
The Tús program has little to do with helping those on benefits trying to get work but more to do with appeasing the countries that funded the Irish bailout in 2010.

There was talk from Paschal Donahue of getting rid of the Tús scheme a couple of years ago but nothing has come of it:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fundamental-back-to-work-schemes-face-axe-under-budget-spending-review-35436463.html

Imagine expecting the workshy to actually work for their money!!

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine expecting the workshy to actually work for their money!!

Yeah you've reminded me of another reason why Tús exists.

A lot of people are jealous of those who are on benefits etc and it's these kinds of people that enjoy the idea of those on the register be forced to work as litter pickers etc...
So the reason for the scheme existing is a combination of the government bailout and envy from those who are possibly working in jobs that might not be of high quality themselves.

Out of
Interest what jobs do they offer apart from little Pickering?

Do they expect people with college degrees and experiences do litter picking that’s a bit mad

MrsThomas wrote: »

Out of
Interest what jobs do they offer apart from little Pickering?

Do they expect people with college degrees and experiences do litter picking that’s a bit mad

Yes, they will put people in those positions regardless of qualifications. But they don't seem to put women in litter picking jobs. It's always men in yellow coats that you see around towns doing that kind of work.

I believe that women generally are put in clerical positions(that are indoors) or something like working in a retirement home.

Rubberchikken

i dont see the issue with litter picking. someone has to do it.
as for a college degree - it doesnt preclude someone from doing this task or any other that tus offers.

tbh its that type of attitude that has certain people unwilling to do 'any' job. a degree diesnt make someone better than someone with none. it just means they have a degree.

i engaged with tus when the opportunity arose some years ago. the reference i got from the position i had tbrough them helped me to get the job i have today.

its all down to attitude i feel.

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i dont see the issue with litter picking. someone has to do it.
as for a college degree - it doesnt preclude someone from doing this task or any other that tus offers.

tbh its that type of attitude that has certain people unwilling to do 'any' job. a degree diesnt make someone better than someone with none. it just means they have a degree.

i engaged with tus when the opportunity arose some years ago. the reference i got from the position i had tbrough them helped me to get the job i have today.

its all down to attitude i feel.

It's good to hear that you had a positive experience from it. Yes, I can imagine the reference that you can get can be valuable especially if someone has gone a couple of years without work. It certainly fills in the gap in a CV.

May I ask what kind of position were you given?

Always Tired

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Imagine expecting the workshy to actually work for their money!!

Imagine being paid at least the minimum wage for working!

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Always Tired wrote: »

Imagine being paid at least the minimum wage for working!

Oh, the inhumanity.

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segosego89 wrote: »

Yeah you've reminded me of another reason why Tús exists.

A lot of people are jealous of those who are on benefits etc and it's these kinds of people that enjoy the idea of those on the register be forced to work as litter pickers etc...
So the reason for the scheme existing is a combination of the government bailout and envy from those who are possibly working in jobs that might not be of high quality themselves.

I read an article about a guy who was litter picking on a TUS Scheme. He was hailed for his civic mindedness. He used work in a shop until the Tiger croaked. He now picks litter with dedication and gusto. He’s had a new lease of life. People stop and talk to him. If he’s caught in a shower of rain, he can just pop into any shop or office until it passes. He’s alone apart from his little dog. He’s not forced. He’s happy to do it. He takes pride in his work. No one would envy his life. Living alone in his early 60’s. Never married. No kids.

fryup

MrsThomas wrote: »

Do they expect people with college degrees and experiences do litter picking that’s a bit mad

and since when have people with degrees been exempt from litter picking?

scamalert

fryup wrote: »

and since when have people with degrees been exempt from litter picking?

nothing wrong with low skills jobs, but its the deal that you work on minimum wage and year later your gone, no ifs or buts.

as someone said yes routine and doing something adds to get people moving, but most of jobs are charity type where they rotate as many people as they can and any organizations get nice grants and funding on top while one on TUS is disposable any time, basically same BS as jobbridge was, as only investments pour to few up top to rotate people for a year, while jobs they are put in could easily be turned full time, thats where TUS and most schemes fail, as doing 2 days whatever work for a year is nothing, but once your done it hardly boosts CV recommendation yes but career wise for someone with degree it would be same as not having worked at all - then putting some random off side job, like working in charity shop would be useless.

Always Tired wrote: »

Imagine being paid at least the minimum wage for working!

Minimum wage is €9.80
TUS is €11.56

The Lost Sheep

MrsThomas wrote: »

Out of
Interest what jobs do they offer apart from little Pickering?

Do they expect people with college degrees and experiences do litter picking that’s a bit mad

loads of jobs. Could be care taking or other type jobs. I was ina tus role for a year in gaa club. Nominally was caretaker along with guys on different schemes but club got me foing all sorts of other work for them like admin etc. It gets you solid years guaranteed work and you can work on top of your allocated hours as well

scamalert wrote: »

nothing wrong with low skills jobs, but its the deal that you work on minimum wage and year later your gone, no ifs or buts

and just having a year shouldn't be a problem. You have a guaranteed wage for 12 months. Ait can add or be something different on your cv and you can work casually on top of it

as someone said yes routine and doing something adds to get people moving, but most of jobs are charity type where they rotate as many people as they can and any organizations get nice grants and funding on top while one on TUS is disposable any time, basically same BS as jobbridge was, as only investments pour to few up top to rotate people for a year, while jobs they are put in could easily be turned full time, thats where TUS and most schemes fail, as doing 2 days whatever work for a year is nothing, but once your done it hardly boosts CV recommendation yes but career wise for someone with degree it would be same as not having worked at all - then putting some random off side job, like working in charity shop would be useless.

would disagree a lot when you say it's like job bridge or that roles are charity type. They're mainly community based like local clubs organisations are used a lot.
I did it after getting my degree having spent a few years doig odd jobs, working getting feck all in arts industry for a while. Not like not having worked at all.

I have to agree here with scam alert.

Working in a charity shop or such wouldn’t benefit me in any way on my cv. And you also have to take into consideration that I am looking for a good job not just 2 days per week earning €180.

But don’t see how tus would work with me as I said I live in a country side no public transfer there’s only a local shop and post office where I live.

So have no clue what jobs they’d have to offer me

The Lost Sheep

MrsThomas wrote: »

I have to agree here with scam alert.

Working in a charity shop or such wouldn’t benefit me in any way on my cv. And you also have to take into consideration that I am looking for a good job not just 2 days per week earning €180.

But don’t see how tus would work with me as I said I live in a country side no public transfer there’s only a local shop and post office where I live.

So have no clue what jobs they’d have to offer me

It isnt 2 days a week though. It would depend on organisation but it's nearly 20 hours a week so 3/4 days is usual.
If public transport is issue for tus then surely it would affect you as much for any other job. So is that an excuse?

MrsThomas wrote: »

I have to agree here with scam alert.

Working in a charity shop or such wouldn’t benefit me in any way on my cv. And you also have to take into consideration that I am looking for a good job not just 2 days per week earning €180.

But don’t see how tus would work with me as I said I live in a country side no public transfer there’s only a local shop and post office where I live.

So have no clue what jobs they’d have to offer me

So, what is your plan for transport to the “good” job you are looking for?

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

It isnt 2 days a week though. It would depend on organisation but it's nearly 20 hours a week so 3/4 days is usual.
If public transport is issue for tus then surely it would affect you as much for any other job. So is that an excuse?

Sounds like you had a good experience on the scheme.

Can I ask what kind of work specifically you did in the GAA club other than admin work? Was it cutting grass and all of that kind of stuff? Just interested to know what kind of stuff you would have to do in a GAA club for 20 hours every week for a year? Working in a GAA club sounds reasonable enough compared to say litter picking in a town etc..

The Lost Sheep

segosego89 wrote: »

Sounds like you had a good experience on the scheme.

Can I ask what kind of work specifically you did in the GAA club other than admin work? Was it cutting grass and all of that kind of stuff? Just interested to know what kind of stuff you would have to do in a GAA club for 20 hours every week for a year? Working in a GAA club sounds reasonable enough compared to say litter picking in a town etc..

I didnt do any grass cutting. Others on other schemes did that. There was 5/6 in total working across the week who did that. I was mainly looking after hall, gym and could do a lot of my own work or whatever on my laptop.

The good job-

Im looking for Work from home I have no public transport and I have chronic illness where I need to have access to bathroom at All times

MrsThomas wrote: »

The good job-

Im looking for Work from home I have no public transport and I have chronic illness where I need to have access to bathroom at All times

You need to apply for disability allowance because your not eligible for jobseekers. Ring your local citizens information centre and ask them to post you out an application form.

My chronic Illness is IBS- in America its considered disability - in Ireland unfortunately not. I wish I could apply for disability all the pressure and stress in work place would also lift of me.

Cherry Blossom

There is no list of conditions here that are considered a disability. You apply and your application is considered on its own merits. If you cannot leave your house because of your condition you would have a strong case.

MrsThomas wrote: »

My chronic Illness is IBS- in America its considered disability - in Ireland unfortunately not. I wish I could apply for disability all the pressure and stress in work place would also lift of me.

DA applications are not processed the way you think they are. You need to make your application with supporting medical evidence and an explanation from yourself as to why your condition prevents you from being available for full time work.
That is the criteria to meet for DA not a diagnosis.

My doctor said that unfortunately In some countries IBS is considered disability in Ireland isn’t and we have to find suitable work and manage the condition ourselves I’m on daily medication and I am restricted in what jobs I can find

But in ideal world you guys have no idea what it would mean for me to be on disability allowance and take the pressure off. Stress unfortunately triggers my illness majorly

MrsThomas wrote: »

My doctor said that unfortunately In some countries IBS is considered disability in Ireland isn’t and we have to find suitable work and manage the condition ourselves I’m on daily medication and I am restricted in what jobs I can find

Have you tried setting up a meeting with a case officer to see if you would be able to get disability allowance? Based on what someone else said in a previous comment it's at the departments discretion whether or not to approve you of disability allowance. Unless I'm mistaken if you provide a good enough case maybe you would be eligible for it?

Maybe just send an email to a case officer to explain your situation?

segosego89 wrote: »

Have you tried setting up a meeting with a case officer to see if you would be able to get disability allowance? Based on what someone else said in a previous comment it's at the departments discretion whether or not to approve you of disability allowance. Unless I'm mistaken if you provide a good enough case maybe you would be eligible for it?

Maybe just send an email to a case officer to explain your situation?

If you contact SW they will give you an application form to complete and advise that you send it in to DA section for processing.
There’s no other way to get DA other than to complete the form.
No one from SW would be able to predict wether anyone would be a successful applicant or not. Not only is it judged on medical evidence it’s also means tested which requires scrutinising of financial evidence too.
The OP has been advised that he/she should apply but appears reluctant. Eventually he/she will be disqualified from Jobseekers as they aren’t eligible for jobseekers. Posters can take the advice here, or leave it if they want. People find themselves in tricky situations but it usually all works out in the end.

Straight Talker

I finished tus in October 2018.I thought after it was over that i wasn't eligible, to participate on the scheme for another 3 years.But i got a letter requesting my permission, to go on the scheme again.Is this carry on above board?Perhaps the rules were changed?