ionadnapokot wrote: » "rhythm" is definitely coded language playing below standard u mentioned his pass in the Racing thread -"left side pass". do you mean as he passes from left to right?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Go back and watch the match from tonight. He is much more obviously deliberate passing off his left then I can ever remember. He seems to lack power and his accuracy is lower left to right than right to left. I also am getting the impression that he is being forced into contact more off his outside because the weakness has been identified by other teams. If you play with a vulnerability this is going to be targeted and I think whatever is limiting him has ultimately put him under severe pressure on the rugby pitch. It was later in the game so hard to tell, but the reserve 9 today massively outplayed the starting 9. This is all anecdotal on my part and I'm using guesswork to try and explain an ongoing issue, but he's either regressed as a player or he is limited in some way. I'm of the opinion that it is the latter.
Deleted User wrote: » Go back and watch the match from tonight. He is much more obviously deliberate passing off his left then I can ever remember. He seems to lack power and his accuracy is lower left to right than right to left. I also am getting the impression that he is being forced into contact more off his outside because the weakness has been identified by other teams. If you play with a vulnerability this is going to be targeted and I think whatever is limiting him has ultimately put him under severe pressure on the rugby pitch. It was later in the game so hard to tell, but the reserve 9 today massively outplayed the starting 9. This is all anecdotal on my part and I'm using guesswork to try and explain an ongoing issue, but he's either regressed as a player or he is limited in some way. I'm of the opinion that it is the latter.
Yeah_Right wrote: » Mathewson was such an improvement when he came on tonight. I was half joking the other day when I said Munster should send Murray to the AIL or let him go to France and sign Mathewson to permanent contract. After tonight's game, I'm starting to think they really should do it.
ionadnapokot wrote: » definitely & definitely has been limited off his left hand since Wales 2017 its terrible & the timing was brutal. he was majestic in the previous games v France in Dublin. The best SH in the World by a distance at the time.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Or the alternatives where not good enough so his only option was to try and get Murray up to speed at all costs
mfceiling wrote: » Yeah but how many games do you give him before you say "you know what, I'm going to give the next lad a chance". You mightn't think the alternatives aren't good enough but if they don't get a chance then how do you know? And the last 8 minutes of a game doesn't count.
Shefwedfan wrote: » I don't remember this been picked out specifically before on this thread or any thread? I think BOD has a lot to answer for
stl.ire wrote: » Murray’s left hand pass has always been seen as a weakness in his game (sometimes at his best it’s the only one). It’s something that kiwi’s would point out when they touted Aaron Smith over him. Here’s a NZ article from 2017:https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/93553423/mark-reason-the-lions-have-called-in-the-aerial-attack “The biggest bother for the Lions was Murray's passing off his left hand. On three separate occasions in the first half he gave the ball back to the Crusaders with awful passes.” And a Murray Kinsella one from this year:https://www.the42.ie/analysis-conor-murray-ireland-six-nations-4513683-Feb2019/ “The wastage on his left arm is clearly visible but the mechanics of his play and willingness to enter contact don’t appear to have been affected by this” He’s still our greatest ever 9 and at his best clearly above all the others. I’ve had to defend his left hand passing long enough to know that some see it as a huge issue!
Scythica wrote: » If Burns continues on this trajectory do you think he'll start getting involved in Ireland camps at least? Growing with every game! Same could be said for Mccloskey and Marshall.
Buer wrote: » Burns should be in the Irish 23 if we're going on form this season. He won't be but he deserves to be in the squad at the least. One issue he has is that he's an English lad having come over to play in a highly contentious and competitive position in Irish rugby. He's not going to have many cheerleaders in either the terraces or the media putting pressure on for his inclusion.
Felix Jones is God. wrote: » Billy Burns? He's not IQ is he?
irishbucsfan wrote: » He is
errlloyd wrote: » I don't think it ever held Mike McCarthy back persay. But I do agree there'd be a chorus if he was Irish.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Two articles.....when was last time it was mentioned here and now we have loads of “experts” discussing it.... Come on, everyone listens to the same podcast, I laughed when BOD mentioned it as I knew what was coming, it didn’t take long When exactly have you defended it? I have used this forum a long time and I don’t remember any real specific discussion(till now) about his left passing, on the lions tours or the WC or all the years he has played
stl.ire wrote: » I literally googled “Conor Murray left pass” and chose two of the first that came up - it’s not a secret or a conspiracy, many more articles/podcasts have mentioned it. He’s worked on it and overcome it in the past obviously. And as for me defending him - I meant in real life! Used to live in NZ during his peak. Murray is our greatest ever 9 but we’re beginning a new World Cup “cycle” and everything is up for grabs now.
bilston wrote: » It's an excellent point Buer. He is still trying to win over some Ulster fans for some reason.
ionadnapokot wrote: » says NO Edit Deleted name No one cares if he’s born English. I don’t think he’s good enough to play for Ireland. I’d even pick Frawley ahead of Burns
stl.ire wrote: » Don’t be silly. If he ever gets a start the trolls will be out. “English reject gets picked by English coach” writes itself. Burns isn’t Sexton but comparing him to Frawley is nonsensical.
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