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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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SleetAndSnow

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/era-of-investment-to-drive-bright-future-for-small-business-in-cork-965901.html

Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade Simon Coveney told a group of 40 Cork business people to expect Cork to have 15 to 40 new 50-storey buildings, a new light rail system on wheels, completed M22 and M28 motorways, an enhanced Dunkettle Interchange and significant housing development in the coming years.

Ill believe it when I see it

whisky_galore

Rhys Essien wrote: »

I’m not sure about this.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/plans-for-100m-850-job-kildare-village-style-retail-centre-on-outskirts-of-cork-city-revealed-965917.html

It's got a lot of middle aged women excited, tagging their middle aged women friends.

kub

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/era-of-investment-to-drive-bright-future-for-small-business-in-cork-965901.html

Ill believe it when I see it

I take it at this stage, that politicans actually do believe that people are stupid and they would believe anything.:rolleyes:

cgcsb

"A new light rail system on wheels"...so buses, gotchya.

neddynasty

Drove past the Crows Nest site today. Hoardings are up and the row of houses has been cleared. The old pub is almost gone now too.

whisky_galore

cgcsb wrote: »

"A new light rail system on wheels"...so buses, gotchya.

As opposed to a light rail system that doesn't have wheels?

Markcheese

whisky_galore wrote: »

As opposed to a light rail system that doesn't have wheels?

BRT?..
like the one in Belfast??

whisky_galore

Markcheese wrote: »

BRT?..
like the one in Belfast??

Doesn't have rails.

Markcheese

What would be peoples wheeled rail routes of choice / practicality in Cork?

snotboogie

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/era-of-investment-to-drive-bright-future-for-small-business-in-cork-965901.html

Ill believe it when I see it

40 fifty storey buildings! We'd be up with Shenzhen and Dubai at that rate. I'd take the Prism starting..

Interesting to see the covered street proposal again, like Clark Quay in Singapore. I believe Liam Casey was pushing for that 5 to 6 years ago.

PreCocious

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

What's the story with lodging objections? Can you just stroll in off the street and object to a proposed building because you're having a bad day or looking for attention or do you actually have to build some sort of case for your objection with some sort of research or impact study or anything other than I object just because I feel like it?

Anyone can make an observation on a planning application once they pay the €20 fee. A lot of the recent developments in Cork had observations from other developers/companies eg One Albert Quay application had an observation from the Elysian Management. Sometimes observations are the only way 3rd parties have of making/suggesting changes.

You can only appeal to An Bord Pleanala if you're the original applicant or if you've already made an observation on the original planning application. So really there is no such thing as a last minute appeal that suddenly has popped out of nowhere.

Regarding serial objectors - one of the worst for this are local SuperValu stores (eg Clonakilty) objecting to a new Tesco / Aldi / Lidl but they don't seem to attract the same personalised attacks as individuals (possibly because they can afford solicitors).

Captainsatnav

Markcheese wrote: »

BRT?..
like the one in Belfast??

My wheel less rail system is also called BRT?

fonecrusher1

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/era-of-investment-to-drive-bright-future-for-small-business-in-cork-965901.html

Ill believe it when I see it

Event Centre. :rolleyes:

questionmark?

snotboogie wrote: »

Interesting to see the covered street proposal again, like Clark Quay in Singapore. I believe Liam Casey was pushing for that 5 to 6 years ago.

Always thought that would be a great street to cover. A good easy and cheap start to improve the street would be to stop cars driving down it. That could be done tomorrow if the will was there.

blindsider

100% on the covered street. Can't understand why someone didn't push this and get it done. It would create such a buzz around town and the street would be jointed.

I would start with the western end - from the GPO to the Grand Parade....

Rhys Essien

snotboogie wrote: »

40 fifty storey buildings! We'd be up with Shenzhen and Dubai at that rate. I'd take the Prism starting..

Interesting to see the covered street proposal again, like Clark Quay in Singapore. I believe Liam Casey was pushing for that 5 to 6 years ago.

A bit of a bold statement to make from Simon. Hopefully one of the local journo’s ask him to elaborate on this. Hard to believe we have a queue of developers all wanting to build a pile of skyscrapers. Even if ten of them come to light it will be great nonetheless.

fonecrusher1

Rhys Essien wrote: »

A bit of a bold statement to make from Simon. Hopefully one of the local journo’s ask him to elaborate on this. Hard to believe we have a queue of developers all wanting to build a pile of skyscrapers. Even if ten of them come to light it will be great nonetheless.

Its the inevitable tidal wave of objections is the problem. Appeal system needs to be completely overhauled to filter out a small minority of whingers who'd automatically object to anything new.

opus

Slightly different view of the developments around the Kent station from Summerhill North.

TheChizler

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its the inevitable tidal wave of objections is the problem. Appeal system needs to be completely overhauled to filter out a small minority of whingers who'd automatically object to anything new.

Correct me of I'm wrong but an objection of this nature doesn't necessarily add any delay to the decision? Objections incorrectly submitted or without merit will just be dismissed while the planners are making their decision anyway.

fonecrusher1

TheChizler wrote: »

Correct me of I'm wrong but an objection of this nature doesn't necessarily add any delay to the decision? Objections incorrectly submitted or without merit will just be dismissed while the planners are making their decision anyway.

I actually don't know to be honest with you. I assume any objection has to be reviewed. No matter how petty or irrelevant. Open to correction here.

Junkyard Tom

Just took a pic of the new buildings there a short while ago.

nyck04

Are there any plans to increase recreational maritime activities such as sailing when the port of Cork relocates?
Can you imagine the impact on the city of having a large marina suitable for yachts near the city centre?

Rhys Essien

nyck04 wrote: »

Are there any plans to increase recreational maritime activities such as sailing when the port of Cork relocates?
Can you imagine the impact on the city of having a large marina suitable for yachts near the city centre?

There are plans for more floating pontoons. One with the new upgrade of Albert Quay and I think another one facing Penrose Quay next to the new Port tower.

WhoElse

Rhys Essien wrote: »

There are plans for more floating pontoons. One with the new upgrade of Albert Quay and I think another one facing Penrose Quay next to the new Port tower.

Blackrock Castle have permission to reopen their boat gateway at the back and develop some sort of pontoon too, so boat traffic can stop off at the castle.

Markcheese

The nearest public slip is either in passage or monksTown I think..

calnand

Markcheese wrote: »

The nearest public slip is either in passage or monksTown I think..

There's slipways at Blackrock village.

Mefistofelino

calnand wrote: »

There's slipways at Blackrock village.

Public slipway in Blackrock is essentially unusable other than close to high tide. With all the upgrade work they did a couple of years ago, they never actually dredged the harbour so for much of the day, the slipway is high and dry. There are slipways at Cork Boat Club but they are private.

the beer revolu

Mefistofelino wrote: »

There are slipways at Cork Boat Club but they are private.

Built with public money!

the beer revolu

Blackrock Castle had its own little slip.

Mefistofelino

Rhys Essien wrote: »

There are plans for more floating pontoons. One with the new upgrade of Albert Quay and I think another one facing Penrose Quay next to the new Port tower.

I'd like to see the calculated current speeds for the proposed tidal barrier. I suspect that due to the fact that the barrier opening is far narrower than the natural channel, speeds will be elevated.
This could make the barrier uncrossable much of the time for anything without a decent motor.