awec wrote: » Yea and if I remember right Munster didn't let Dillane go, he was just offered a higher contract by Connacht.
connemara man wrote: » He was offered sub academy in Munster and academy in Connacht by Nigel Carolan who had coached him Ireland underage aswell and said you're too good for a sub academy, come to Connacht and keep working with me
thomond2006 wrote: » Name one young player that Munster have let go in the last five years that has gone on to do anything of note. Ultan Dillane is probably the only talent to slip through the net and he was only sub academy I believe. The idea that Munster held anyone back is nonsense. The players simply weren't there and that's a different question.
Richie_Rich89 wrote: » Argue over how I phrased it if you want to. I quite specifically referred to the three-quarter line, saying the Leinster situation in these positions was similar to how Munster operate for every position. Plus, some of the players playing for other teams might be because of a lack of development to senior team level at Leinster - Tom Farrell, Tadhg Beirne. Obviously the academy and under-age structures deserve credit in those cases. I'd make a distinction between development to academy level at Leinster and development to the senior team, which depends on the first team coach actually selecting you. I've no issue with the former.
Richie_Rich89 wrote: » Ehhhh ...it is hard to name anybody. The Fitzgerald brothers are doing well at Connacht, but early days... I'd imagine it's difficult for players who are passed over and essentially get the message they're not good enough. How many people in Tadhg Beirne's shoes when he was cut by Leinster would give up then and get on with life after rugby? It's probably fair to say that players coming out of the Munster academy aren't as skilful and as well equipped technically to play expansive rugby as players from the Leinster academy. So, they're not as attractive to other teams in the market for players, and ensuring they're ready for senior action depends more on the head coach. Munster didn't really have a skills-based approach between Penney leaving and Larkham coming in... There was a thread on Planet Rugby forum a few months ago about two highly-rated age-grade coaches cut from their positions in the RFU amid budget cuts. It got me thinking that hiring them to oversee the academy is the type of thing Munster should look to do if they want more technically-proficient, smarter players filtering up to the senior team. It is more difficult for Munster. But at the same time they haven't been making the best fist of it. Would it really come as a surprise if Healy, Josh Wycherley, Casey and Hodnett were never really brought through properly?
aloooof wrote: » EDIT: nevermind, I didn't read your post properly!
Richie_Rich89 wrote: » It is more difficult for Munster. But at the same time they haven't been making the best fist of it. Would it really come as a surprise if Healy, Josh Wycherley, Casey and Hodnett were never really brought through properly?
Year 3: Shane Buckley (Wing forward/21/Garryowen). Year 2: Brian Haugh (Scrumhalf/20/Young Munster), Jonathan Holland (Outhalf/21/Cork Con), Harry McNulty (Centre/20/Young Munster), Darren Moroney (Winger/22/UL Bohs), Ryan Murphy (Back row/20/Dolphin), Jack O’Donoghue (Back row/19/UL Bohs), Darren Sweetnam (Fullback/20/UCC). Year 1: Jack Cullen (Scrumhalf/18/TBC), Niall Horan (Prop/19/Shannon), David Johnston (Fullback/19/UL Bohs), Gearoid Lyons (Outhalf/18/CCC), Darren O’Shea (Lock/21/Dolphin), Greg O’Shea (Winger/18/CCC), Sean McCarthy (Lock/19/Shannon), John Madigan (Lock/18/Dolphin), Rory Scannell (Centre/19/Dolphin).
Shefwedfan wrote: » g Beirne was given a full time contract with Leinster......
Vinnie222 wrote: » Beirne wasn't given a full time contract with Leinster, he was let go
Shefwedfan wrote: » He was...https://www.ultimaterugby.com/tadhg-beirne It was mentioned on one of the podcast recently as well he was given a procontract with Leinster......maybe I am wrong
kingofthekong wrote: » Munster aren't completely without blame as to why they arent producing any players its not all the IRFU's fault.... Munster have had plenty of talented U20s and not developed them very effectively... JJ could barely get any gametime and went to Northampton, Bill Johnston left before that they didn't give contracts to Ben Betts, Kelvin Brown, Frank Bradshaw Ryan, Paddy Ryan
kingofthekong wrote: » before that they didn't give contracts to Ben Betts, Kelvin Brown, Frank Bradshaw Ryan, Paddy Ryan
kingofthekong wrote: » They now have opted for using Botha, Holloway, Cloete who are blocking guys like O'sullivan, Hodnett and Coombes. Munster have regularly chosen imports over youth - importing young south africans like Knox and More over young academy guys... Sure they may not be getting ideal treatment from IRFU but they've done very little to give their young players a chance at 1st XV rugby
tryagain wrote: » Marmion is great player he never let Ireland down so Connacht now have two internationl scrumhalves tied down next AKI
tryagain wrote: » Connacht least we all forget were to be disbanded but won the pro14 years later .For Irish rugby to thrive we need Connacht to thrive but the IRFU still consider them second class the need to pump more money west and quit the BS for us to win a WC we need a strong Connacht not trying to snatch their best players if that the case Rory Best should have been playing rugby for leinster and maybe Munsters best players should move too (Henshaw ) treated like second class and only a few years ago winning pro14
tryagain wrote: » Connacht least we all forget were to be disbanded
Former Former wrote: » But which of those players has gone elsewhere and proved Munster wrong? None.
Shefwedfan wrote: » In reality it would be better if Blade left now and they kept Marmion plus another young 9..... I’m sure I could nominate a destination, you might say cherry pick him for a club
Former Former wrote: » No, they weren't.
Zzippy wrote: » The IRFU committee proposed shutting down Connacht as a professional rugby team. Perhaps you have a different definitiion of "disbanded"?
Riskymove wrote: » the usual hindsight defence is that it was merely proposed by a committee and that the IRFU never actually voted to do it (and of course the position now is that they would not have voted for it) It was dropped from even being discussed/voted on following the backlash
Jump_In_Jack wrote: » So would it be better if Andrew Porter also left? And where do you want them to go?
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