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How hard is it to get the rolex you want

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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,343 ✭✭✭✭ Creamy Goodness


    Whenever I see these questions pop up about the actual cost they’re rarely include the R&D cost in making these. Sure maybe the cost to manufacture is a fraction of the price but the R&D cost plus tooling and all that needs to be included.

    I’m not saying that they aren’t making an insane amount but there’s a few videos online trying to estimate the bill of materials are often not showing the full picture.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    True CC, though one might argue that some brands, Rolex and Omega for example, but not the only ones, are selling watch models they've had in their catalogues for decades. Yes they've tweaked them here and there, with a different colour bezels, dials, hands or some material changes, but there would be a lot less R&D and tooling up on say an Omega Speedmaster than say a brand new Hamilton or say a Longines reissue of one of their "heritage" models(that are brand new watch designs with no interchangeable parts with the originals).

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,848 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    Market popping.......been signs for a few months.

    BLNR price slashing in watchfinder...as low as 13.3k euro for the old version

    https://www.watchfinder.ie/Rolex/GMT%20Master%20II/116710%20BLNR/23940/item/147366?searchId=0e0977b2-deb4-4430-af1c-aae496e93909&rank=13

    They are flooded with BLNR also. 20 in stock. Were they holding back stock? Probably I would say.

    https://www.watchfinder.ie/search?q=Blnr


    Hulk available for just over 14k
    https://www.watchfinder.ie/Rolex/Submariner/116610%20LV/16940/item/150142?searchId=b6d6e732-ae66-4f11-9686-2b0d3780ec22&rank=4


  • Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭ A+-Guru


    There having a sale today that's all

    893bet wrote: »
    Market popping.......been signs for a few months.

    BLNR price slashing in watchfinder...as low as 13.3k euro for the old version

    https://www.watchfinder.ie/Rolex/GMT%20Master%20II/116710%20BLNR/23940/item/147366?searchId=0e0977b2-deb4-4430-af1c-aae496e93909&rank=13

    They are flooded with BLNR also. 20 in stock. Were they holding back stock? Probably I would say.

    https://www.watchfinder.ie/search?q=Blnr


    Hulk available for just over 14k
    https://www.watchfinder.ie/Rolex/Submariner/116610%20LV/16940/item/150142?searchId=b6d6e732-ae66-4f11-9686-2b0d3780ec22&rank=4


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭ Jude13


    Guy in the office got a no date Sub from a Rolex store after just a 3 month wait.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 21,186 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Eoin


    A+-Guru wrote: »
    There having a sale today that's all

    Yeah, but not too long ago you'd not need to discount these models in a sale.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,848 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    A+-Guru wrote: »
    There having a sale today that's all

    If the market wasn’t softening there would be no sale. WF are not able to sell at there current pricing for the “high demand” models.

    Signs of downward pressure is there for the last 4 months. It was denied as a usual summer lull. Seems it is more.

    They had 1-2 BLNRs 6 months ago.

    That have 20 today supposedly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭ Jude13


    There's an arcade here with five resale BLRO's within a year of the launch whilst I was in the waiting list from the Basel world day 1. Don't know how they do it as I was told I wont have my original papers until 12 months after purchase.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,301 ✭✭✭✭ Cyrus


    Eoin wrote: »
    Yeah, but not too long ago you'd not need to discount these models in a sale.

    to be fair they are discounting their very high prices which are in some cases x2 rrp, they chased the market up and are now a little too high but i wouldnt read too much into it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭ Oafley Jones


    893bet wrote: »
    Market popping.......been signs for a few months.

    BLNR price slashing in watchfinder...as low as 13.3k euro for the old version

    https://www.watchfinder.ie/Rolex/GMT%20Master%20II/116710%20BLNR/23940/item/147366?searchId=0e0977b2-deb4-4430-af1c-aae496e93909&rank=13

    They are flooded with BLNR also. 20 in stock. Were they holding back stock? Probably I would say.

    https://www.watchfinder.ie/search?q=Blnr


    Hulk available for just over 14k
    https://www.watchfinder.ie/Rolex/Submariner/116610%20LV/16940/item/150142?searchId=b6d6e732-ae66-4f11-9686-2b0d3780ec22&rank=4

    Also, Rolex seem to be getting more watches into stores. Seeing more and more stories of people getting watches far quicker than expected and the odd steel model being on display now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Dante Delicious Magnum


    Yesterday watchfinders were selling new daytona ceramics for 27k...thats mental. If they discount it to 15k thats still 3.5k over retail.

    I dont think till I see second hand rolex (batman/woman, pepsi, subs, daytona, hulk) selling below or at retail will I call the bubble burst, hoever I would be cautious buying a rolex over list at the moment. I cannot see a time when the hard to get models sell below list, Rolex are too good at market manipulation to allow that, but the madness has to end sometime.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,848 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    12k blnr on sale below. Plenty LNs for 10k ish.

    https://www.watchmaster.com/en/shop/rolex/gmt-master-ii


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Dante Delicious Magnum


    There does seem to be a lot of GMT master 2 for sale....lucky are those who got out while to going was good ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭ CantGetNoSleep


    Would I get something like an Explorer II at RRP from an AD these days?


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,343 ✭✭✭✭ Creamy Goodness


    Would I get something like an Explorer II at RRP from an AD these days?

    I would have thought an AD will only sell at RRP but the problem is the waiting lists.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭ Oafley Jones


    I would have thought an AD will only sell at RRP but the problem is the waiting lists.

    An Explorer 2 shouldn't really be that much of a problem. They don't even carry that much of a premium (New) on C24.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,343 ✭✭✭✭ Creamy Goodness


    An Explorer 2 shouldn't really be that much of a problem. They don't even carry that much of a premium (New) on C24.

    Aye, I'm not too up on what models have and don't have waiting lists was just assuming the only problem with buying off an AD would be whether there's a waiting list.


  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭ thelizardking1


    decafrost wrote: »
    I am looking to buy Rolex Submariner Date blue dial since 2 years but unable to get from anywhere even not avalaible at Kapoor Watch Company where i have bought Rolex Lady-Datejust OysterPerpetual 28 mm for myself last year.

    If anyone knows that i can get this watch from somewhere please let me know asap.

    thanks in advance!

    Lots of them for sale here, https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/ref-116619lb.htm?man=rolex&refId=116619lb&showpage=&sortorder=1


  • Registered Users Posts: 993 ✭✭✭ Time


    decafrost wrote: »
    I am looking to buy Rolex Submariner Date blue dial since 2 years but unable to get from anywhere even not avalaible at Kapoor Watch Company where i have bought Rolex Lady-Datejust OysterPerpetual 28 mm for myself last year.

    If anyone knows that i can get this watch from somewhere please let me know asap.

    thanks in advance!

    Weirs had one a while back. Any AD should be able to get that for you in a matter of weeks, its not an in demand model


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,026 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    decafrost wrote: »
    I am looking to buy Rolex Submariner Date blue dial since 2 years but unable to get from anywhere even not avalaible at Kapoor Watch Company where i have bought Rolex Lady-Datejust OysterPerpetual 28 mm for myself last year.

    If anyone knows that i can get this watch from somewhere please let me know asap.

    thanks in advance!
    banie01 wrote: »
    Was walking through Limerick City today, glanced in the window of Keane's and they have a Rolex Blue Sub 116619 its actually a 116610on display for the princely sum of €12600 :eek:

    They seem to be much easier to get than other subs.

    Edit: just noticed I typod the original post as a 116619, apologies.
    If it was white gold for that price I'd have bought it myself :pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭ wersal gummage


    Time wrote: »
    Weirs had one a while back. Any AD should be able to get that for you in a matter of weeks, its not an in demand model

    I'm on a "waiting list" in weirs for a sub (date or no date with preference for no date) for about 10 months now and nothing.... On the same wait list for a gmt 2 for about 18 months....

    My experience of dealing with them /level of information forthcoming etc didn't inspire confidence of ever hearing from them to be honest but who knows.

    Will probably buy a nice gmt grand seiko if the right one crops up at this rate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Dante Delicious Magnum


    I'm on a "waiting list" in weirs for a sub (date or no date with preference for no date) for about 10 months now and nothing.... On the same wait list for a gmt 2 for about 18 months....

    My experience of dealing with them /level of information forthcoming etc didn't inspire confidence of ever hearing from them to be honest but who knows.

    Will probably buy a nice gmt grand seiko if the right one crops up at this rate

    If you go in and ask to be on a list, then your not on a list. If you go and buy something and they invite you onto one of their lists you would like to be on, you stand a chance. My advice, if they ring you tomorrow with a GMT master...pass, somebody is flooding the market with that particular watch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭ fat bloke


    Well according to YouTube this morning the Rolex bubble has well and truly burst because Batman models and Daytonas are now available at slightly under double the RRP...

    So common sense finally prevailing then. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Dante Delicious Magnum


    fat bloke wrote: »
    Well according to YouTube this morning the Rolex bubble has well and truly burst because Batman models and Daytonas are now available at slightly under double the RRP...

    So common sense finally prevailing then. :pac:

    The bubble is intact, but there is a lot of batmen being put on the market. At the end of the day the Daytona is still solid as a rock, and its rocks in your head you would need to by one at twice RRP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭ fat bloke


    The bubble is intact, but there is a lot of batmen being put on the market. At the end of the day the Daytona is still solid as a rock, and its rocks in your head you would need to by one at twice RRP.

    Personally I'm more worried about the knock on effect on my homages! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Dante Delicious Magnum


    Hey I have seen german Submariner homage watches, modified by a notorious internet pervert, cyber stalker and bully sell on ebay for over RRP so dont laugh too soon.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    Yup and in some of the dodgier corners of the internet, those high quality fakes of Rolex have also followed the real deal in price rises. Which is kinda crazy.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,026 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    Hey I have seen german Submariner homage watches, modified by a notorious internet pervert, cyber stalker and bully sell on ebay for over RRP so dont laugh too soon.

    I've seen Vietnamese case and "hand-built" 4 digit "replicas" by a certain Italian sell for ridiculous sums too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,848 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    Hey I have seen german Submariner homage watches, modified by a notorious internet pervert, cyber stalker and bully sell on ebay for over RRP so dont laugh too soon.

    Modified??? What??? But they are sold as brand new!!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,491 ✭✭✭✭ OmegaGene


    fat bloke wrote: »
    Well according to YouTube this morning the Rolex bubble has well and truly burst because Batman models and Daytonas are now available at slightly under double the RRP...

    So common sense finally prevailing then. :pac:

    Bark and **** put a video up about the watch finder sale meaning the bubble has burst and he’s getting some amount of abuse
    Usual click bait nonsense


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