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ESB eCars pricing introduction

ELM327

System Upgrade

Dear EV Drivers,

To enable us to provide you with some enhanced functionality and a new app, we will be performing a system upgrade this coming Wednesday morning, October 2nd,

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Black_Knight

kanuseeme wrote: »

Thanks for the reply I know it was a mess.

Its not me in the outlander,

many people read and never post here in boards, to dismiss or ridicule a car without any justification for it, can make an impression on them.

I'm tired, goodnight.

Not trying to dismiss the outlander in particular. It could of been any PHEV, just so happens the outlander was the one I spotted. I'm ridiculing the driver.

Kramer wrote: »

Anyway, I've to pop up to my local rapid charger now, my PHEV's been plugged into the slow AC socket for hours - it'll surely be full by now .

Are the slow rapid chargers any better than the fast slow chargers? :pac:

Black_Knight

liamog wrote: »

Mod Note: Guys, try to avoid getting personal on posts, it's one thing calling an anonymous driver in a picture names, but it's another when we start doing it to other posters!

To be fair, I called myself a moron a few times today. Though how kanuseeme knows about those is scary.

liamog

Black_Knight wrote: »

Are the slow rapid chargers any better than the fast slow chargers? :pac:

They come with the knowledge you are funding the network for ESB, you don't get that on a 22kW charger. I imagine it's a real head-scratcher for any 22kW Zoe's!

Kramer

Black_Knight wrote: »

Are the slow rapid chargers any better than the fast slow chargers? :pac:

Not sure being honest - I shall have to do an A/B comparison test to see if a fast, slow charger is faster or slower than a slow, fast charger

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Thing is, I can use the fast charger's cable - it really is too easy. Saves me having to root out a wet & nasty cable from the boot. I mean, come on, like who even does that anymore while those handy rapid chargers already have handy cables enticingly hanging in front?
Morons?

She was full anyway, 8 glorious kWhs of stored, pent-up electrons & probably only took a few hours with my onboard 3.7kW charger, with clean, dry hands to boot. Might even have saved €0.20 over the equivalent cost of petrol.

Charging for charging sure does seem to have freed up my local rapids anyway, anecdotally at least.

:pac:

Black_Knight

Kramer wrote: »

Thing is, I can use the fast charger's cable - it really is too easy. Saves me having to root out a wet & nasty cable from the boot.

:pac:

Are you storing extra petrol in your boot well perhaps?

Black_Knight

Good news from ESB Ecars!

mobile app will be available shortly

No ****!

Petetheroadie

Black_Knight wrote: »

Good news from ESB Ecars!

No ****!

Great! Where did you see the ESB comment?

ethernet

Petetheroadie wrote: »

Great! Where did you see the ESB comment?

They just sent an update email mentioning the app.

charlieIRL

Petetheroadie wrote: »

Great! Where did you see the ESB comment?

There was a new email this morning.

adunis

Great isn't it ?,I've never seen so many free fast chargers available,now if only we could legislate hybrids out if existence........

innrain

They've replaced the old DBT from Stillorgan Hotel with an Eface. That's good news. The old unit was the only unit in Dublin I couldn't use. It was cutting off when the charging power was going over 40 kW.

DrPhilG

Folks do we not know by now that ecars definition of "soon" is different to actual soon?

MJohnston

I wouldn't get too excited about the ecars app - my expectations for it are very low, and I suspect the 'app' will just be a wrapper around that existing web app that everyone is currently using (just as the existing ecars app is just a wrapper around a web page).

Mickeroo

That's exactly what it will be but the web app looks pretty good so I don't see why it needs to be anything more either.

ethernet

MJohnston wrote: »

I wouldn't get too excited about the ecars app - my expectations for it are very low, and I suspect the 'app' will just be a wrapper around that existing web app that everyone is currently using (just as the existing ecars app is just a wrapper around a web page).

Agreed. Especially with the whole swipe gesture for starting charges on the web app, it's highly likely and means less work for them going forward.

KCross

DrPhilG wrote: »

Folks do we not know by now that ecars definition of "soon" is different to actual soon?

Its akin to Tesla soon!

MJohnston

Mickeroo wrote: »

That's exactly what it will be but the web app looks pretty good so I don't see why it needs to be anything more either.

I would describe it as "good enough" - there's a lot of UI ticks that are down to them just using a web app. Certainly map elements are not very touch friendly for example, and a lot of the touch gestures are just awkward.

There's much more that an app could do too - stations could have a queue time-booking system that you join via app or physical card tap, and then you get a notification in-app when your session is finished, or when your place in the queue is ready.

DrPhilG

MJohnston wrote: »

There's much more that an app could do too - stations could have a queue time-booking system that you join via app or physical card tap, and then you get a notification in-app when your session is finished, or when your place in the queue is ready.

I'm completely against any kind of queueing/booking system.

As for the mobile app, it's OK. I do find it very fiddly, too many clicks to get to the actual swipe stage.

And the legend seems poor. If I remember correctly it doesn't filter stations by slow/fast unless you filter it manually.

MJohnston

An app like PlugShare shows a much higher level of polish and refinement for the exact same functionality.

Realistically, I think ESB's best approach should be to build a basic web app themselves, and then provide API access to all of the same functionality, to allow third-party apps to integrate instead (they're already partway here by letting other apps show station status). With the fragmentation of the charging networks, it's getting really frustrating to have to swap between a bunch of apps to find the true list of nearby stations.

Currently I have 4 different apps I use regularly for finding stations, because some (like Polar in the north) have their own siloed access.

Things are never going to go mainstream if this is to be the status quo.

September1

I saw on Facebook that someone who overstayed below 2 minutes got charged this 5E fee.

DrPhilG

September1 wrote: »

I saw on Facebook that someone who overstayed below 2 minutes got charged this 5E fee.

Yep, delighted to see it.

Credit to the guy he wasn't complaining about the fee, just annoyed at himself for getting his timing wrong.

I still there there needs to be a further penalty to encourage disconnect after that fee. Otherwise he could have just said balls to it then, if I'm being hung for the fiver I'll stay another hour.

Should be €5 after 45 minutes and another €5 every half hour thereafter.

ELM327

September1 wrote: »

I saw on Facebook that someone who overstayed below 2 minutes got charged this 5E fee.

Didnt see that, glad to see it's already being implemented.

If I get caught and dont end the session after 45 mins you can be damn sure I'll stay the full 2 hours to 100% to get the "value" of my fee

September1

ELM327 wrote: »

If I get caught and dont end the session after 45 mins you can be damn sure I'll stay the full 2 hours to 100% to get the "value" of my fee

I think it you have a car with larger battery it would be reasonable to plan staying 2 hours, you would lose 5 euro but gain some convenience of not charging twice on the way.

Black_Knight

ELM327 wrote: »

Didnt see that, glad to see it's already being implemented.

If I get caught and dont end the session after 45 mins you can be damn sure I'll stay the full 2 hours to 100% to get the "value" of my fee

Even though that fiver is gone now, and you could charge for cheaper at home (all assuming you've got your required charge within the 45 minutes).

kennethsmyth

Black_Knight wrote: »

Even though that fiver is gone now, and you could charge for cheaper at home (all assuming you've got your required charge within the 45 minutes).

I normally wouldnt agree with this but as the charge could have unitended consequences by only working once, I think it should go as follows.

45 mins charge per kwh
5euro charge on 46th min
5euro charge on 61st min
5euro charge on 76th min etc..

OR

45 mins charge per kwh
5euro charge on 46th min
On 61st min the charge per kwh goes up to 50 cents

My preference is the second one.

liamog

kennethsmyth wrote: »

I normally wouldnt agree with this but as the charge could have unitended consequences by only working once, I think it should go as follows.

45 mins charge per kwh
5euro charge on 46th min
5euro charge on 61st min
5euro charge on 76th min etc..

So basically a 33c/min charge (starting +45mins) plus 29c/kWh.
It's funny how often people keep designing per minute charges that kick in just after there own needs are usually met.

kennethsmyth

liamog wrote: »

So basically a 33c/min charge (starting +45mins) plus 29c/kWh.
It's funny how often people keep designing per minute charges that kick in just after there own needs are usually met.

Its not my needs, its the needs of nearly every current family affordable electric car at present.

45 mins at a set rate per kwh is fair, if overstaying then yes a cost is needed to move people on. Its been proven here that 30 mins is not enough if using a charger for longer distances or have charging rate issues.

innrain

September1 wrote: »

I think it you have a car with larger battery it would be reasonable to plan staying 2 hours, you would lose 5 euro but gain some convenience of not charging twice on the way.

You don't gain anything for staying two hours. This should have been explained by the seller, by the ecars, by manufacturers, by RTE (instead of running ads to cars which claim to be perpetuum mobile).

Here is the range gain for Hyundai Kona64 as function of charging time at DC50kW for different starting battery states. If you start charging from 10%-30% you gain approx 225 km in 45 mins. But if you start at 80% you gain a mere 70km in the same time. 150 km difference in range. Wouldn't be better you charge 45 mins, you drive 1h30 mins and you charge again another 45 mins? The 5 euro overstay fee will set you back 17.24 kWh which is around 100-120km driving range. This is what you drive in an hour on the motorway.

McGiver

DrPhilG wrote:

Should be â‚¬5 after 45 minutes and another â‚¬5 every half hour thereafter.

No, it should be per minute. It's very simple. 0.50 perhaps minute or something.

graememk

What would happen if you stopped the charge and started it again, would it be a new session?