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Rural Fibre Broadband, Really?

MrAbyss

Why? Colossal money to spend on fiber to every rural home when 5G is around the corner.

Billions for something that will obsolete in a year or two.

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Thelonious Monk

realdanbreen wrote: »

So you reckon being able to walk to O'Connell street meeting 'all the people' and 'hearing some foreign accents' means you are living the life!

Yes us sophisticated city folk are social animals

Gary kk

MrAbyss wrote: »

The first underground rail system for Dublin was implemented in 1973. It has been rebranded and canceled constantly since. The city has some of the worst traffic congestion in Europe.

There is still no sign of it on the horizon. People stuck in traffic 3 hours a day are told 'sure buses (stuck in the same traffic) are enough' by mostly rural TDs who determine the fate of the GDRs commuters. Successive governments have failed to properly develop an absolutely vital modern commuter rail system for the city. It has got to the point now whereby multinationals are even complaining about it.

However Xhamster to Ballymagash for the same cost as both the MetroLink and DartUNDERGROUND combined = BLANK CHEQUE written by same TDs.

and you wonder why people are angry about this Rural Broadband bull****?

My bad you are correct everything should stop until we get Dublin sorted.

realdanbreen

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Drumcondra is a great area, walking distance to the centre of Dublin, amazing pubs and restaurants. You'd probably find it intimidating with all the people and life in the place though, maybe even some foreign accents.

So you reckon being able to walk to O'Connell street meeting 'all the people' and 'hearing some foreign accents' means you are living the life!

Thelonious Monk

realdanbreen wrote: »

Living in a flat in drumcondra? Son you are entitled to all the subsidies going, I cannot think of a more miserable existence.

Drumcondra is a great area, walking distance to the centre of Dublin, amazing pubs and restaurants. You'd probably find it intimidating with all the people and life in the place though, maybe even some foreign accents.

realdanbreen

MrAbyss wrote: »

Why? Am I entitled to Agricultural Subsidies living in my flat in Drumcondra too?

Living in a flat in drumcondra? Son you are entitled to all the subsidies going, I cannot think of a more miserable existence.

MrAbyss

speaking of which - how does this tie in with the 2040 plan of tripling the size of cities outside of Dublin?

Seems to me Rural Broadband is completely contradictory to this agenda?

Nermal

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You need to understand rural dwellers are every bit entitled to have broadband access as our urban counterparts. Society dude.

Sure, so long as you pay what it costs and don't demand the rest of us to subsidise you.

MrAbyss

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You need to understand rural dwellers are every bit entitled to have broadband access as our urban counterparts. Society dude.

Why? Am I entitled to Agricultural Subsidies living in my flat in Drumcondra too?

MrAbyss

The first underground rail system for Dublin was implemented in 1973. It has been rebranded and canceled constantly since. The city has some of the worst traffic congestion in Europe.

There is still no sign of it on the horizon. People stuck in traffic 3 hours a day are told 'sure buses (stuck in the same traffic) are enough' by mostly rural TDs who determine the fate of the GDRs commuters. Successive governments have failed to properly develop an absolutely vital modern commuter rail system for the city. It has got to the point now whereby multinationals are even complaining about it.

However Xhamster to Ballymagash for the same cost as both the MetroLink and DartUNDERGROUND combined = BLANK CHEQUE written by same TDs.

and you wonder why people are angry about this Rural Broadband bull****?

UrbanFret

Le shovelle wrote: »

bungalow dwellers with their large gardens eh

Garden size must have a major effect on Broadband speed. Never knew that.:D

Plumbthedepths

tom1ie wrote: »

Nope. You need to understand the concept of value for money.
Offer fbb to urban centers.
If people want fbb, move to urban centers or get people to pay for a fbb connection to their premise themselves.
Urban centers in this instance can still mean small villages.

You need to understand rural dwellers are every bit entitled to have broadband access as our urban counterparts. Society dude.

MrAbyss

Deleted User wrote: »

A little melodramatic don't you think? :rolleyes:

and people in rural Ireland are never melodramatic about their 'plights'?

Melodrama always been, and remains the only economic and development plan Bungalow Bliss Ireland ever had or will ever have.

Gary kk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Water where i live comes from reservoirs nearby in Wicklow. It is a lot easier for services to he provided to large populations rather than one off housing but you farming folk dont seem to be very bright when it comes to these matters.

Well it will be coming from the Shannon shortly as well. Pretty sure the farmer will have to pay for the broadband. It not like the water in urban areas you know where 7 billion has been spent and the bill is still climbing. Granted water is more important. But then again been more important why would anyone not want to pay the fair share for what they use.

Thelonious Monk

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

So some services can be provided to those that want them without moving closer to the nearest point of provision and others not?

What's the differentiation for that reasoning and who gets to make it?

Water where i live comes from reservoirs nearby in Wicklow. It is a lot easier for services to he provided to large populations rather than one off housing but you farming folk dont seem to be very bright when it comes to these matters.

Buford T. Justice XIX

tom1ie wrote: »

No.

So some services can be provided to those that want them without moving closer to the nearest point of provision and others not?

What's the differentiation for that reasoning and who gets to make it?

tom1ie

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

If the argument is to move to where services are available with minimal cost, shouldn't the population of Dublin be moving west, closer to the Shannon for their water supply?

And out into Meath and Kildare to be closer to their waste management centers?

And out into the middle of nowhere to be nearer to their supply of electricity from turbines/power stations/quarries/cement factories to be closer to the services they need?

No.

Buford T. Justice XIX

tom1ie wrote: »

He’s dead right though. If ya want high speed broadband, move to an urban centre.

If the argument is to move to where services are available with minimal cost, shouldn't the population of Dublin be moving west, closer to the Shannon for their water supply?

And out into Meath and Kildare to be closer to their waste management centers?

And out into the middle of nowhere to be nearer to their supply of electricity from turbines/power stations/quarries/cement factories to be closer to the services they need?

tom1ie

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Didn't I read somewhere that this deal/plan involves running the fibre cables needed alongside Eir's phone line network, and basically 'renting' the pole space off Eir (at a cost of many millions per year).

No wonder Eir pulled out of the bidding process when they realised the (only) other bid/option involved Eir earning huge annual revenue for basically doing nothing!

Yes and add in the fact ESB networks already have a fiber backbone system traversing the length and breadth of the country...........

realdanbreen

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Less success and infrastructure in Dublin means less money for you culchie plebs in your ugly bungalows, dont bite the hand that feeds you

Get back up to your flat before I ring your probation officer!

tom1ie

Without a doubt we need to be encouraging investment and companies to relocate outside of Dublin to other URBAN areas like the other cities and big towns (eg portlaoise).
This will take the pressure of Dublin.
If we can do this plus invest in Dublin’s infrastructure then we will be on the right track.
However this, everyone get fiber broadband at the cost of 5b no matter where you live is pure nonsense.

AndyBoBandy

Didn't I read somewhere that this deal/plan involves running the fibre cables needed alongside Eir's phone line network, and basically 'renting' the pole space off Eir (at a cost of many millions per year).

No wonder Eir pulled out of the bidding process when they realised the (only) other bid/option involved Eir earning huge annual revenue for basically doing nothing!

Eir didn't want the contract, but they'll probably end up doing all the work anyway as a sub-contractor to the company that did win the contract (who have no experience of installing high speed internet service).

So everyone still gets their cut of the action.

ednwireland

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Less success and infrastructure in Dublin means less money for you culchie plebs in your ugly bungalows, dont bite the hand that feeds you

and less money for infrastructure outside dublin means more people in dublin multyplying the problems you already have - careful what you wish for.

Thelonious Monk

Less success and infrastructure in Dublin means less money for you culchie plebs in your ugly bungalows, dont bite the hand that feeds you

listermint

MrAbyss wrote: »

So we cancel the Metro and let Dublin die so people in Achill can stream Netflx faster?

Your false equivalence means I'm beginning to suspect your only here to ramp up a non existent division.

Or else it's just grade A level stupidity.

[Deleted User]

MrAbyss wrote: »

So we cancel the Metro and let Dublin die so people in Achill can stream Netflx faster?

A little melodramatic don't you think? :rolleyes:

MrAbyss

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

Dublin is dysfunctional when it comes to infrastructure such as transport, services and housing. Anything that stems the flow of people and businesses to the capital helps the national economy

So we cancel the Metro and let Dublin die so people in Achill can stream Netflx faster?

topper75

If I stay subscribed to this thread, will I find out why my taxes go to fund Dublin Bus when I never actually use it?

is_that_so

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

There’s an election in May, hence the mad panic to get this signed off. It’s purely political.

Perhaps. FF, the alternative government, are supportive of the concept, just not this process. It's good politics for those with an eye on their rural vote and FF will just co-opt the plan and claim some credit. They might even propose more bells and whistles to it!

meeeeh

tom1ie wrote: »

Nope. You need to understand the concept of value for money.
Offer fbb to urban centers.
If people want fbb, move to urban centers or get people to pay for a fbb connection to their premise themselves.
Urban centers in this instance can still mean small villages.

Why would we do that. We got access to decent state schools, very few social issues, nice community with good standard of living and 5 min drive to work and shops without traffic jams. If we get Dubs to pay for our fiber it would really stupid to move and sacrifice our lifestyle and 2 acre garden.

[Deleted User]

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

There needs to be a defined cut off point in place so this isn't a blank cheque. This project could double in price very easily, as we've seen over and over with these big state projects.

Agreed. So much could be done with a far lesser price tag.

I think there is an economic argument to be made to bring high speed broadband to every population centre. Let's say the cut off is a rural village with at least 100 people living in it. But trying to connect every single one off house in the country is madness. Connecting up a home on the side of a mountain makes no financial sense.

Again, I'd agree although I'd bump up the population to 500-1000. Many town census include those living outside the actual towns themselves. There's little genuine need for every village to be connected.

There are many advantages to living on the side of a mountain compared to living in a built up urban area. Low crime, low pollution, more space, more greenery, cheaper and bigger accommodation ect. The compromise is that servives won't and can't be as good. That's the deal. There's pros and cons to both sides of it.

Except you're using an extreme. That of living in the middle of nowhere or up a mountain. A reasonably sized town should have the same benefits (in terms of services) of living in a city. (although no need for a subway system :pac:) The difference is in options for consumerism and most people would accept that. What most people won't accept is that a city person is more important than any other citizen of the nation.

I'm sick of 'rural' Ireland complaining that they are not being looked after. Yet by every reasonable measure, they take a hell of a lot more than nearly any other segment of Irish society.

If you want high speed broadband while living on the side of a mountain, that's fine, but pay for it yourself.

Sure, I can appreciate that but at the same time, it should be considered that the pressure to move to a major population center like a city is a problem. The countryside of Ireland shouldn't be depopulated because people can't go without the services needed for normal living. Do you really want more of the population moving to Dublin? That would really improve the traffic problems, and other issues that already exist because Dublin wasn't designed to handle such populations.

While I agree that people should pay for high speed broadband, I'd consider that the same for everyone. Some services should be charged, and the monies collected put forward to improve all similar services. Ireland is supposed to become a technology hub but it doesn't really have the infrastructure. I know three companies who considered moving to Ireland to set up development offices but decided to go to Poland instead because Dublin was too expensive, and the remainder of Ireland wasn't advanced enough for their needs.

Rural Ireland does need some love, simply because Dublin can't be everything. Neither can the other Irish cities. There must be more than the cities, otherwise we're just following the same steps as other countries who are finding their countryside depopulated and greater social problems due to the high city populations. What will Ireland be like with a population of 12 million? With immigration and birth rates, such a population isn't so far fetched anymore. Ireland's issues often come about because of short term planning rather than considering how the future will change the country and it's society.