Outlaw Pete wrote: » Vindman is a nobody in this impeachment from the perspective of what he witnessed and heard, as he's too far down the chain to really matter and never spoke with Trump directly or even corresponded with him.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Vindman is a nobody in this impeachment from the perspective of what he witnessed and heard, as he's too far down the chain to really matter and never spoke with Trump directly or even corresponded with him. Where he is not a nobody however is that he is very likely the main source of the "whistleblower" and indeed is the one who leaked information to Politico. Just from Morrison's testimony alone he comes across as weirdo who badgered Morrison to attend meetings and come on trips he wasn't needed on. The reason for this is obvious once you learn that he was suspected of leaking information and accessing material he was not supposed to. So clearly his desire to go on these overseas trips was purely from an information gathering perspective and not one related to doing the job he was actually being paid to do. Some of the relevant testimony from Morrison to that end: But like I say, he's too far down the chain to really matter all that much. Sondland is a different matter as he claims to have been tasked by Trump and was acting on his behalf when he infomed Zelensky's aides that Zelensky would have to public declare that he / Ukraine would be investigating Burisma/Bidens. Course he's also told us: So, that would suggest that their key witness (unless they can get Bolton) is something of an eccentric.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Excellent from Ratcliffe there re: the allegation of Bribery. Especially pointing the WaPo poll. Meanwhile, Trump drops the following regarding this whole politically motivated farce:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1196832113447845889
Outlaw Pete wrote: » [Vindman] is very likely the main source of the "whistleblower" ....
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Boom, right again ... mole is outed! Love him being asked does the Trump administration need his approval. The look on his face. Full of self importance, as Morrison testified.
mcmoustache wrote: » I'm not sure what you mean. Are you using a quote from yourself to prove something or did I miss something?
Whistleblower Complaint wrote: I was not a direct witness to most of the events described. However, I found my colleagues’ accounts of these events to be credible because, in almost all cases, multiple officials recounted fact patterns that were consistent with one another. In addition, a variety of information consistent with these private accounts has been reported publicly.
Overheal wrote: » He’s implying somehow that if Vindman ever gazed upon whoever the whistleblower is, it’s a “smoking gun” of the deep state conspiracy... because, he heard collegial concerns about matters of the national interest?
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Find one post of mine on Boards where I even use the term "Deep State" and I'll give $1000 to a charity of your choice. See this is all you folks can do, exaggerate people's positions non-stop. It's clear Vindman is the mole from his testimony. If you want to stick your head in the sand on that, work away.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » If you want to stick your head in the sand on that, work away.
duploelabs wrote: » Can you point us exactly to where in his testimony he's 'the mole'
"It was inappropriate, it was improper for the president to request - to demand - an investigation into a political opponent, especially (from) a foreign power where there is, at best, dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation and that this would have significant implications if it became public knowledge," Lt Col Vindman told the committee. Lt Col Vindman was among the US officials who listened in on the 25 July call. Lt Col Vindman, an Iraq war veteran who appeared at the hearing wearing his army uniform and medals, has been publicly criticised by Mr Trump along with other witnesses. He said that "character attacks" against public servants testifying in the impeachment inquiry were "reprehensible". Donald Trump "It is natural to disagree and engage in spirited debate, this has been the custom of our country since the time of our founding fathers, but we are better than personal attacks," Lt Col Vindman said.https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/1119/1092758-trump-impeachment/
Outlaw Pete wrote: » https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1196874405563031553 Tim Morrison had him spot on:
Outlaw Pete wrote: » I have my head in the sand on what?? That Trump is guilty of bribery?? :pac:
Matt Barrett wrote: » Good man. Great to see some semblance of decency coming from U.S. officials. Time that low rent, no class, charlatan of a human gets ousted. Trump's no friend of America or it's democratic system.
At his Oct. 29 deposition, Col. Vindman, an infantry officer and decorated war veteran, was asked about military aid by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff, California Democrat. “Under the previous administration, there was a, I’m aware of the transfer of a fairly significant number of Javelins, yes,” Col. Vindman testified. The historical record shows that assertion to be wrong. The Obama administration limited its aid to support items to Ukraine after the 2014 Russian invasion.
mcmoustache wrote: » Sondland and Vindman are different people. Unless I've missed something.
rosser44 wrote: » Ehhh.... Yup, that's exactly what I meant.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Ok, well make a case for it. Why do you consider him asking what he did to be an example of attempted bribery? Zelensky is on record as saying he felt no pressure on the back of the requests.
