Niallof9 wrote: » Yeah i do. In comparison to the other 3 they have a long way to go. Its pretty close. Andy Friend seems a really good coach. I'm just saying few of the lads may benefit from a move. Likewise there's better options than Robb kicking their heels in other provinces. If Nucifora is serious about it. Like Daly was a good signing for them. we need more of that i think.
Niallof9 wrote: » Yeah i do. In comparison to the other 3 they have a long way to go.but Its pretty close. Andy Friend seems a really good coach but look at the other threes centres and then look at connachts. they are all factors. im not bashing them...i bloody LOVE Connacht. I love that they take punts on lads like Niyi and Healy...theres hundreds of those lads knocking about. I'm just saying few of the lads may benefit from a move. Likewise there's better options than say Robb kicking their heels in other provinces. If Nucifora is serious about it. Like Daly was a good signing for them. we need more of that i think. Nad yeah Marmion signing is proof of that. I'm just curious about where his head is at. dropped and perhaps a failed move due to bad luck...and now a local lad, Blade pushing him hard.
Wegians89 wrote: » Daly is 5th choice center at Connacht, who else would you suggest makes the move? A deegan or Doris would be the level needed to really push connschtvon but can’t see that happening
Shefwedfan wrote: » You can't just move players around just for the fun of it. Clubs like Leinster/Munster have a huge amount of games every season. They have squad is place to cater for those requirements. No point 6 games into a season and suddenly they are flying in overseas player because a couple of players are down I am all for sending players to Connacht and trying to make sure they are in HC every year but not if it means other provinces have to bring in injury jokers I know you love a podcast, I would suggest you have a listen to Molecast, they had a very good discussion on a similar point recently, about players in the provinces
Wegians89 wrote: » Not a fact, rumors like this are very rarely facts but the level of coverage and the people reporting it would lead me to believe there was interest.
Niallof9 wrote: » I agree somewhat. Thats true the squads would have no players. But take a guy like Adam Byrne. In and out of the squad. Does him no favors. Leinster clearly don't trust him or need him. We have people regularly forgetting he even exists. Has issues with defence and confidence but would be an asset for Connacht. It doesn't weaken Leinster if he moves. It would make him, and he'd become an asset for Ireland. I'm only talking about 3 or 4 lads. O Sullivan in Munster, Dooley maybe, Frawley. I dont think any of that weakens anybody. We weaken Irish rugby if we allow too much hoarding go on. Also we weaken Irish rugby if Connacht sign medicore players or are given the medicre players. yeah demented mole is great. I mean you slagged me, or somebody did about the 1500 AIL level players that i mentioned in reply to the idea that we have so so few rugby players.. Like Niyi is an Irish international, a very good pro. I love the guy. But i know from watching tons of AIL that there is loads of Niyis floating about, healy too. Obviously they cant take punts on everybody. But i feel its either they are given 3 or 4 of the best most log jammed players or they continue to take punts and lose guys like Henshaw (who i know moved for the GF but the narrative was that he needs top class games) Aki is the key to Connachts rise i think. the first fully trusted Irish international that unlike Henshaw doesn't need to move. So it will be interesting to see if he re-signs. I do think Dillane needs a move though. Some of them do need the best of the best facilities and culture. And unfortunately at the moment that isn't in Connacht. Hopefully one day it will be. Basically thats where my Marmion point is. He's similar. Its not a Connacht bash at all. Just realism. I wonder how good some of them might become in that winning environment. Because thats it really, Munster, Leinster are completely different cultures to connacht. Its just the way it is. Its easier to play for a Burnley than it is for a Liverpool. the expectations , the pressures, the learnings are different. Now i know we want the four proud provinces and some day hopefully all four will be on an even footing. And keeping Marmion is key to that, i get that. But i was a doubter in the healing process...but having four provinces win on one weekend does feel like a bit of healing and movement. Once we don't hype.
Shefwedfan wrote: » You keep referring to Adam Byrne but last year he got more starts than before and he got an injury at end of season which restricted him..... I didn't slag you about the AIL but if players are in the AIL and they are good enought they have been given a shot before. Moving players on just to bring in players who are not good enough is not going to help anyone. I don;t think Aki will resign, it was a mate who mentioned to me he resigned when Lam was still at the helm and when Lam left he was pi**ed. I think he will take the money and go, it will be his last big contract, I just cant see him making another WC...... Dillane I said a few seasons ago needed a move, just to change the scenery. Does he need it now? I dont think so....he is playing in the HC and that is the main thing for players looking to get into the Ireland first team. WHo would Dillane move to? Munster dont need him. Leinster he would be blocking a young player. Ulster? they have two starting irish players in Hendy and Treadwell.
Niallof9 wrote: » I dont think they have. I know loads of lads involved who never had a sniff. Lads just as good as Niyi or Matt Healy. Its just the the way the world works. Some make it some don't , fine. it is what it is. But thats i mean to make Connacht consistently good they need better options. Or somebody like Copeland who they signed too late. I don't know i just think Connacht even still isn't reaching its potential. Maybe lads don't want to move there. Look at Kellehers move back, which frankly is mindboggling in rugby terms. Yeah and where is the lad now? In and out, doing him no good. His injury was unfortunate. His career is passing him by and we have lads advocating Kearney for Ireland now. I mean i don't get why you get so defensive about suggestions. Like you're saying i have a bee in my bonnet about this in a way, but so do you? i mean what harm does somebody like that moving do? none imo. Yeah thats true, Dillane has nowhere to go to. Until all provinces are equal, its not inaccurate to say that the winning and competitive cultures of Munster and Leinster are the best environments currently for Irish players to be. And im not a fan of any provinces, im an Irish fan first, then probably a Lunster man.
Shefwedfan wrote: » You change the goal posts, pick on form and then a player you don’t like comes up, D Kearney, and it’s drop him and pick someone not on form It’s one or the other, best to listen to Fla in regards to Copeland.....he mentioned on recent podcast You pick deals as well with no information, Kelleher has moved, he and Leinster have to have a reason, just because you don’t understand doesn’t mean it’s wrong Maybe he wasn’t happy in his personal life and wanted to come home, I have no idea and it’s none of my business but you never know....who is to say he doesn’t light up the Heneiken cup and 6 nations this year? He is what, 7 games into the season
Niallof9 wrote: » What does that have got to do with anything i just said. I'm talking about a player like Adam Byrne. I said in pure rugby reasons. Yeah who knows what other factors there is. I said that... In pure rugby terms it seems a mistake for the lad.
Niallof9 wrote: » Anyway at this level Irish rugby is very very healthy. and just to say over on munsterfans they are discussing the idea of central contracts having a bearing on everything and nobody is losing their ****. anyway when is Andy Farrell going to speak to the media?
Jump_In_Jack wrote: » Would it be controversial to suggest capping the number of central contracts to 4 per province?
Podge_irl wrote: » I realise it was during some pretty dark days, but Mick McGrath and Darragh Fanning clearly weren't actually good enough for pro rugby as examples of some AIL players who were looked at. I don't doubt there are some exceptions, but I would think they are pretty rare.
Niallof9 wrote: » Yeah thats true too. I'd fear for the lad though, he'll be knocking on 27/28 by the time some of them go. Who's to say Ferg doesn't play another 3 seasons as Leinster's experienced guy. this is what i was going on about as well last week, which got lost in the argument around Central Contracts. we can't just move these lads on like they would in soccer. I think we'll see with Rob. If he gets another deal with Ireland/Leinster then we will know its set in stone.Its a mistake imo. And its a prime example that we haven't got the movement thing down properly yet. We aren't ruthless enough. Like also why can't an experienced McFadden or whoever be moved then to Connacht? A guy like that would be a huge asset for them. That could be the other way, instead of transfer issues or lads hanging on till they are 36 Again the players rights come before anything, they have families lives. Yes i know. But in pure rugby terms and contracts. For the best for Irish rugby
Shefwedfan wrote: » WHo would Dillane move to? Munster dont need him. Leinster he would be blocking a young player. Ulster? they have two starting irish players in Hendy and Treadwell.
aloooof wrote: » The irony is, if Dillane had moved he'd likely be getting less gametime in the Champions Cup this season.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Why would you do that?
Jump_In_Jack wrote: » We have 4 teams, so 4 teams having 4 centrally contracted players each would even the playing field a bit, while limiting the total number of players on central contracts to 16, which seems to be around the number there have been in recent years. Why wouldn't you do that?
Jump_In_Jack wrote: » Guys, I'm saying the IRFU gives out 16 central contracts, if for example they gave 4 to Leinster, and there are more than 4 there, then they should be told if you want a central contract you have to move to another province, or suck it up where you are on the lower contract, or go abroad if you want more money. The other provinces would certainly not have the option to give out central contracts to inferior players, it wouldn't be about letting each province decide who gets them.
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