Leroy42 wrote: » Pre Brexit that probably would have been a big risk. But Brexit has shown, and even Johnson and Farage acknowledge this, that it is far better to be involved with the EU than not. The usual cry from Brexiteers is that EU trade pack is fine, just not the political stuff. However, if you don't have a centralised justice system for example then every country will simply end up doing whatever suits it at the time and this they can no longer has seamless trade. Of course the EU may fall apart, the US may split. Nothing is certain.
eskimohunt wrote: It's because Johnson is leading that has you in this boundless flurry.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I honestly can't see the European Union lasting in its existing form for the next 2 decades. It either reforms at some point, or it dies. That's not based on anything concrete, of course, but I have a suspicion that when another economic crash happens - as they inevitably always do - it will retrigger a Eurosceptic wave stronger than the wave over the past 10 years.
Deleted User wrote: » I honestly can't see the European Union lasting in its existing form for the next 2 decades. It either reforms at some point, or it dies. That's not based on anything concrete, of course, but I have a suspicion that when another economic crash happens - as they inevitably always do - it will retrigger a Eurosceptic wave stronger than the wave over the past 10 years.
fash wrote: » I think you mean "Get brexit started" - brexit will take a decade or 2 and the debate about brexit hasn't yet begun.
Deleted User wrote: » The more the days pass, the greater this lead appears to be for Johnson. Let's hope it tops 50 percent next week and Get Brexit Done!
Deleted User wrote: » The reality is that if that poll read that Corbyn was on 39-points and Johnson on 28-points, you wouldn't be gathering excuses like you are now. It's because Johnson is leading that has you in this boundless flurry.
liamtech wrote: » We really wont know for sure until 2-3 weeks for now. We haven't seen any proper head to head debates, nor have we seen proper scrutinization of the various political positions.. However even on these figures it is damning for the remain side, given Britain's antiquated FPTP system . Im not going to argue this with you, you are in favor of Brexit, fair enough. You are also in favor of several elements of what Brexit means, which i disagree with - lets agree to disagree shall we?But to your argument that 45% now favor the conservatives, i would simply reply that by said logic, 55% do NOT favor said party. Even if you add the Brexit Party to the mix you arrive at a 50/50ish position. So its not over yet, perhaps keep the champagne on ice for now, my friend
Deleted User wrote: » I don't think it matters who is in power. After all, Corbyn is in favour of a second referendum on Scotland. If anything, the UK breaking up is just as likely - if not more likely - under a Corbyn regime than a Johnson Administration.
Deleted User wrote: » Prime Minister Johnson surging to a 17-point lead over Corbyn in the latest YouGov poll. A mere 15% are opting for revocation of Article 50. The more the days pass, the greater this lead appears to be for Johnson. Let's hope it tops 50 percent next week and Get Brexit Done!
Strazdas wrote: » It wouldn't be a surprise if he gets an overall majority, but it will surely herald the break up of the UK. Scotland will be out first followed soon after by NI. The UK cannot survive a hard Brexit in one piece.
And now YouGov's latest poll for the Sunday Times, found 45 per cent of people quizzed are intending to back Mr Johnson, with only 28 per cent trusting Jeremy Corbyn to take the helm. The Lib Dems are on 15 per cent.
Enzokk wrote: » Norway pays more per person to have a worse trade deal and no say in the EU, but their relationship with the EU isn't part of their success? So be like Norway, successful outside of the EU, but don't be like Norway with a close EU relationship.
Enzokk wrote: » ... "Norway pays £134 per person" "The UK pays £29/person" ... Norway pays more per person to have a worse trade deal and no say in the EU, but their relationship with the EU isn't part of their success? So be like Nowray, successful outside of the EU, but don't be like Norway with a close EU relationship.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » No, actually.
Enzokk wrote: » It will be good for the Conservatives, for us there is still a chance of violence although it is lessened by the deal. The best thing for us is revoke which would ensure no violence so anybody that posts about chaos on this island but still want Brexit seems to have interesting priorities.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » All Conservative election candidates have signed a pact that they will vote for the agreement if the Tories get a majority. Boost for Ireland. Anything other than a tory majority and the quick passage of this deal will result in chaos on this island.
lawred2 wrote: » Yeah but we know Kermit wants Brexit.. He is hoping that Brexit turns out to be a beacon of success that leads to the demise of the EU.
Leroy42 wrote: » Surely a Labour lead government would look to reduce the red lines and then have a 2nd ref which may result in revoke. That is the best outcome and could all be done and dusted within the current expected transition period.
Leroy42 wrote: » And also, it is a great headline but like everything else in terms of Brexit there is no detail to back up the assertion that there are benefits. But even if there are some theoretical benefits,although no one has been able to provide any details of what that might be, the question remains what plans are in place to help the fishing industry to adjust to the new realities? It is all well and good saying UK needs to start consuming more, but 1) that will take an advertising and information campaign and 2) it will necessarily take time. What do the UK fleet do in the meantime whilst they await this change in culture and tastes? New techniques and or equipment will be needed as the fleet adjusted to fishing for the preferred fish of the UK over what they currently sell to the EU. Who pays for that? And what if the domestic market doesn't take up the slack, even in the short term? Are the government going to subsidise the industry to ensure that people do not loose their jobs of livelyhoods? Are where are the plans to increase the coast guard or army to patrol the waters to ensure no EU boats are fishing. Will it simply be left down to individual fishing boats to step in? Who covers the costs of this? The above is just a few questions from one industry. Repeat (and amend) for multiple industries. The main issue that I have with both Brexit and its supporters is that there are no plans and what they are going to do with the change that is coming.
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » Fishing came up earlier as in Brexit will finally allow the UK fishermen to 'take back control', up pops a great article from Tony Connelly that explains the background and the reality of itHell or high water: Brexit fish talks will be most bruising
The UK blocked tougher EU trade rules to help the steel industry partly because it could have raised the price of shoes for British shoppers, Sajid Javid has said. The business secretary argued the UK opposed scrapping the so-called lesser duty rule as it would have “cost British shoppers dear”, including an extra £130m a year on the price of footwear – the equivalent of about £4.80 for each household.
The shoe event horizon is now a firmly established and rather sad economic phenomenon, which is taught as part of the basic Middle School Life the Universe and Everything syllabus. Let's say you are living in an exciting go ahead civilization, so you are looking up at the open sky the stars, the infinite horizon. But, let's say you are living in a stagnant declining civilization, so you are looking down at your shoes. So, your world is a depressing place, you are looking at your shoes and how do you cheer yourself up? By a new pair! So, everyone does the same thing and more and more shoe shops enter the market. In order to support these extra shoe shops, manufactures dictate more and more different fashions and make shoes so badly that they either hurt the feet or fall apart, so that everyone must keep buying shoes until they finally get fed up with lousy rotten shoes. In order to get people to by the shoes, the manufacturers make massive capital investment in the form of more shoe shops. This is the point known as the shoe event horizon. The whole economy overbalances. Shoe shops outnumber every other kind of shop, and it becomes economically impossible to build anything other than shoe shops. Every shop in the world ends up a shoe shop full of shoes no one can wear, resulting in famine, collapse and ruin. Any survivors eventually evolve into birds and never put their feet on the ground again.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Brexit is the attempt to remedy the EU-element of migration. Government is at fault for non-EU migration, as they already have full control over who can/cannot stay in the country. In terms of EU migration, the point is clear: to treat EU migration in exactly the same respect as non-EU migration; no discrimination in favour of European migrants to come to the UK and have automatic rights to search for work. Instead, it's an equal playing field. The government of the day decides who can come to meet a given economic need. It's that simple; the same as how much of the rest of the world governs their borders. Quality = individuals qualified for a given economic need; who have no criminal record; and who speak English to a sufficiently necessary standard to meet the employment opportunity on offer.
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