El_Duderino 09 wrote: » True they're fourth best now. I think it was pretty fluid for the first half of the season. But they have done great development as you say. So if they can keep it going then they could be fourth again next year. I don't think there's been a consistent fourth place team over the last few years. In any case, I think anyone with a soul is happy to see mclaren get it together.
Jordan 199 wrote: » You could say the hiring of James Key is the key to McLaren heading in the right direction.
mickdw wrote: » McLaren without Ron is not really McLaren in my opinion. He gets bad press but being realistic, he built it and was at the helm for most of the success. Any of the stories you hear coming out of the team from years ago were that he was the best at what he did. Tough but very good to work for.
uchimata83 wrote: » We are still none the wiser on why one of the biggest names in the sport was ousted either. Andrew Benson made a comment at the time that something went down behind the scenes, but to my knowledge it was never elaborated upon.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Good memory. Podiums for non top 3 team drivers are rare of late. The 2021 regulations might make things a bit unpredictable and maybe some teams will forego some development in 2020 to focus on the new regs. So, who knows?
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » He wasn't a success the second time around. Imagine explaining to the board why the plumbing costs were multiples of the budget because you got a ruler and made the plumbers redo work to an unreasonable and unnecessary standard. He sounds odd more than productive. I think the reasons weren't published out of respect for him. He just wasn't up to it when he came back the second time. He tried to do it the autocratic way and it just didn't work. Joe Saward talked about it before he was fired but the writing was on the wall. He said he ballsed up a decade long sponsorship deal with Johnny Walker. They wanted to pay £70m for x years. Ron wanted £120m and he played hardball. He ended up with a car almost without sponsorship that year so I imagine that wasn't the only deal they lost. He wanted £120m because that was the going rate back in HIS day. But it wasn't the going rate any more (post recession). So Walker took their £70m elsewhere (Force India I think). He wasn't able to adapt to the reality. He just had one gear and that gear wasn't suitable to the job anymore.
Jordan 199 wrote: » Interlagos:
Harika wrote: » https://mobile.twitter.com/F1/status/1195070898719477760 So sweet
AMKC wrote: » Well there goes any chance of him ever getting a job at Mercedes lol. I don't think they would be to happy to see him disposing of there cap like that. Fair play to Vettel do for making a young fans day.
Jordan 199 wrote: » Martin Brundle driving the McLaren MP4/4 that Senna won the 1988 title in: :cool:
PukkaStukka wrote: » A car that's 31 years old yet looks better than anything else current out there now. How has F1 become so bad?
Harika wrote: » Mercedes Team for sale :eek:https://f1-insider.com/f1/mercedes-bleibt-in-der-formel-1-aber-nure-vorerst/ (german) Mercedes looking to sell team to Mazepin/Penske and instead only provide engines for cash, caused by the Diesel scandals.
skipper_G wrote: » I don't buy that for a second myself. Some randomer on twitter decided that Toto wasn't in Brazil because he was off selling the team to Penske. It sounds like clickbait
Inviere wrote: » Hardly specific to F1 though, there's plenty of older super/hyper cars that are subjectively better looking than similar from today. I'd agree the old F1 cars are kinda timeless, and beautiful in an aesthetic sense, but they'd be eaten alive by the modern cars in a heard to head - that's what matters in motorsports.
elperello wrote: » Not wishing to be controversial or anything but I think the real measure of a racing car is how it performs against it's contemporaries. How it would perform against cars from another period is of secondary interest.
Gintonious wrote: » The advantage that Ferrari had on the straights is very back again.
flazio wrote: » More likely that Toto is helping the Formula E team get set up for the season launch next week.
