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Autumn 2019 - General Discussion

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It's a nice, sunny start to Autumn 2019 in Dublin 5.

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hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The reason for the disconnect between meteorological and cultural seasons (being one month out of sync essentially) in Ireland is because of seasonal lag - meteorological winter is centered around when we’re climatologically likely to be coldest vs warmest, whereas in Ireland (and other Celtic countries) cultural winter is centered around sunlight and the solstices and equinoxes, with each constituting the midway point of their corresponding seasons. Because the climate takes roughly one month to catch up with changes in the Earth’s rotation, these two paradigms are one month out of sync with eachother.

Most meteorologists will refer to the seasons based on their meteorological terms, while most Irish people will have learned in school (with poems and mnemonics to help remember) that the seasons begin and end one month earlier than their meteorologically interested bretheren. Neither view is right or wrong, so as far as I’m concerned the annual arguments about whether November counts as Winter and February counts as Spring are hilariously predictable and woefully pointless. What matters here is what kind of weather we’re going to get, dammit

“And other Celtic countries“?

As far as I’m aware Ireland is the only country in the world where November is commonly referred to as winter and February as spring etc.

In other countries there’s no difference between the people and the meteorologists. Everyone agrees that November is autumn and February still winter etc.

Gonzo

pad199207 wrote: »

High today of only 3.4c in Kildare

Bitterly cold alright, temperature didn't get above 3.6C here either, this is the worst type of cold too, mostly cold rain and damp.

pad199207

High today of only 3.4c in Kildare

hatrickpatrick

The reason for the disconnect between meteorological and cultural seasons (being one month out of sync essentially) in Ireland is because of seasonal lag - meteorological winter is centered around when we’re climatologically likely to be coldest vs warmest, whereas in Ireland (and other Celtic countries) cultural winter is centered around sunlight and the solstices and equinoxes, with each constituting the midway point of their corresponding seasons. Because the climate takes roughly one month to catch up with changes in the Earth’s rotation, these two paradigms are one month out of sync with eachother.

Most meteorologists will refer to the seasons based on their meteorological terms, while most Irish people will have learned in school (with poems and mnemonics to help remember) that the seasons begin and end one month earlier than their meteorologically interested bretheren. Neither view is right or wrong, so as far as I’m concerned the annual arguments about whether November counts as Winter and February counts as Spring are hilariously predictable and woefully pointless. What matters here is what kind of weather we’re going to get, dammit

JCX BXC

Completely dry here in West Clare but with lots of upper cloud. Overnight min of -0.1°c and daily max of 6.9°c recorded about half an hour ago.

Goldfinch8

Apart from a few light drops of rain about two hours ago, it has turned into a surprisingly pleasant afternoon here in this part of the West. A nice few bonus rays of November sunshine here at the moment in relatively calm conditions.
(Apologies for non introduction so far. Long time lurker on this forum for many years with a passion for weather and the great outdoors. Have always enjoyed the many contributions of the regular posters here and the great weather experts. Decided that it was eventually time to jump in myself! Situated approximately 11kms east of Castlebar.)

Naggdefy

appledrop wrote: »

Ha you never know! Seriously though it's nearly too cold to be out + about.

We are out in park in all weathers but today really getting into the old bones!

Brrrrr. Back to house for some warm drinks + cosy heating

Ok. Stay warm anyway. If older/ill we really feel the cold more.

Under the weather with a chest infection and feel cold too.

appledrop

Naggdefy wrote: »

According to meteorologists since at least 1659 when the Royal Scientific Society was setup. I don't think any boardsie is that old

Ha you never know! Seriously though it's nearly too cold to be out + about.

We are out in park in all weathers but today really getting into the old bones!

Brrrrr. Back to house for some warm drinks + cosy heating

Naggdefy

appledrop wrote: »

Remember now it's not winter according to boardies on this thread!

According to meteorologists since at least 1659 when the Royal Scientific Society was setup. I don't think any boardsie is that old

JCX BXC

appledrop wrote: »

Remember now it's not winter according to boardies on this thread!

Oh my god give it a rest for goodness sake, are you 12?

appledrop

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

This cold spell is starting to drive me nuts. It's freezing cold day and night yet we're struggling to even get a frost. Even tonight it's still 6C here yet it feels bitter!

Remember now it's not winter according to boardies on this thread!

Meteorite58

Got down to -0.4C here near Tralee

Goldfinch8

A calm, cool overcast morning in Co. Mayo. Last night's early frost has thawed. Darker greys in the sky out beyond Croagh Patrick suggest the later arrival of an incoming weather front.

igCorcaigh

JanuarySnowstor wrote: »

This cold spell is starting to drive me nuts. It's freezing cold day and night yet we're struggling to even get a frost. Even tonight it's still 6C here yet it feels bitter!

It takes time to acclimatise... Best leaving yourself feel the cold for a bit!

JanuarySnowstor

This cold spell is starting to drive me nuts. It's freezing cold day and night yet we're struggling to even get a frost. Even tonight it's still 6C here yet it feels bitter!

Gaoth Laidir

Nice crunch back in the fallen leaves this evening after these two days without rain. Garden clean-up starts tomorrow...

Mortelaro

Rock Lesnar wrote: »

Perfect autumn day, clear sky, sunshine and chilly, loads of cloud to my east and south east, hopefully it stays away

Didn't stay away from Arklow
There from the get go
Little spits of rain all day

Rock Lesnar

Perfect autumn day, clear sky, sunshine and chilly, loads of cloud to my east and south east, hopefully it stays away

Oscar Bravo

Tis lovely out

Gonzo

sryanbruen wrote: »

Dunsany's wettest autumns on record back to 1964:

Rank|Rainfall total (mm)|Year
#1|364.3|2009
#2|360.3|1995
#3|358.6|2006
#4|340.5|2000
#5|335.0|1975
#6|327.1|2010
#7|321.2|2002
#8|314.7|2019*
#9|313.1|1976
#10|307.1|2011

*2019's total is up to November 14th.

Data from Met reann.

With 2 weeks of autumn left we are 50mm off the 2009 record. Looking at the rainfall predictions between now and November 30th, we could easily get 50mm of rainfall. It won't take much rain to beat the 2002, 2010 and 1975 totals.

sryanbruen

Dunsany's wettest autumns on record back to 1964:

Rank|Rainfall total (mm)|Year
#1|364.3|2009
#2|360.3|1995
#3|358.6|2006
#4|340.5|2000
#5|335.0|1975
#6|327.1|2010
#7|321.2|2002
#8|314.7|2019*
#9|313.1|1976
#10|307.1|2011

*2019's total is up to November 14th.

Data from Met Éireann.

Gonzo

a cold sunny morning here in Meath, There was some frost yesterday evening but none when I woke up this morning. The next few days looks like a bit of a break from all the heavy rains and may allow the ground to dry up a little bit, but it won't be enough to stop the risk of flooding once the heavy rains come back in about 5 days time. We need at least 2 weeks without rain to properly start drying out the land here.

SleetAndSnow

Bitter this morning in cork city. Cars covered in thick frost and garden thermometer reading -1 nearly 0

Goldfinch8

A slight dusting of white on the top of Nephin this morning. One or two showers earlier with a slight wintry touch to them. A chilly two degrees.
Central Mayo

Pangea

Roads in bad shape in Donegal this morning with black ice. The roads weren't gritted either.

Donegal Co Council tweet earlier
Road surface temperatures are a few degrees below forecast this morning. No indication of any #slippyroads yet but never assume a road is ice free.

Latest tweet

#blackice and #slippyroads widespread across the county this morning. Gritters are being mobilised. Drive with extreme care.

https://www.oceanfm.ie/2019/11/15/black-ice-warning-for-roads-throughout-the-region-this-morning/

KingJeremy

Cmon the sneachta!!

Kermit.de.frog

Cold nights ahead but Sunday night looking the nippiest for many so far this Autumn under slack northerly winds.

90-580UK.GIF?14-12

km79

Stunning day in Ireland if a little cold
Sorry I meant Mayo not ireland

Mortelaro

11mm and rising
Very heavy hail and rain in Arklow for the last hour
Just 4c
Worse here today than yesterday

Mortelaro

Another downpour of hail here near Arklow
Particularly vicious this one in the northerly gusts