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Google Stadia

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Officially announced today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_dggN2rN3A

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[Deleted User]

Grumpypants wrote: »

Money taken from my account today. No code yet but hopefully not too long.

Looking forward to reading your thoughts on it when it's up and running.

Grumpypants

Money taken from my account today. No code yet but hopefully not too long.

marcbrophy

Robert ninja wrote: »

Google may be a juggernaut but the fact is most of their products fail. Catalogs, wave, google plus, answers, notebook, google video (not youtube, they bought that) etc. Their only good product that they're not famous for was reader and they killed that themselves. Stadia could be a relative success or be a niche service that some enjoy but gets dropped if it's not up to their email, data storage or search engine levels of adoption.

I'd say the same normally, but with them founding a gaming studio, I reckon they are in it for the mid term at least (5-6 years) before reconsidering.

You'd hope that if they called it quits then that they'd have a compensation program for the digital goods, kind of like UltraViolet recently who shut down but gave me free copies of the movies I had from Google Play instead

super_furry wrote: »

Microsoft's Xcloud coming to Game Pass Ultimate with all new games launching on it really leave Stadia with a mountain to climb.

Absolutely great service and I can't wait for it to come to PC.
Mobile screens are just too small for my awful vision

H3llR4iser

awec wrote: »

I'd be a lot more excited for this if it was Microsoft or Sony.

This is the future, but it's long term really. We've seen from the local-only streaming options on xbox, playstation and steam that even the slightest amount of input lag makes games unplayable.

The 4k 60fps stuff sounds like pure pie in the sky.

That's my thought as well - I've recently discovered the limitations of Steam remote play, especially in terms of image quality.

Basically, games with big & wide environments, like FPS, you can get away with it. Games representing small details, there is a slight but noticeable loss in quality - PES 2020, for example, looks blurry and washed away.

This is with the game running at 1080p, streamed through gigabit ethernet (cabled) from one room to the other, and upscaled on a 4k TV. If I run the game directly on the laptop, still at 1080p, connected to the same TV, it looks normal. If I try to run the game in 4K on the main gaming PC and stream it, it chugs and drops frames (runs at steady 60fps with the screen connected directly). Testing the network with iPerf, there is a steady 900~ mbps connection between the two computers.

I can't imagine it working "perfectly" through the internet. Compromises will be needed.

Grumpypants

Just saw RAGE 2 got added to Xbox Game Pass, so the only game I had half an interest in is now free on my xbox.

super_furry

Microsoft's Xcloud coming to Game Pass Ultimate with all new games launching on it really leave Stadia with a mountain to climb.

[Deleted User]

marcbrophy wrote: »

I've often referred to the Nov launch as the soft launch and the real launch is in Feb when the basic service goes active for free.
At that time, there's no barrier to entry. You don't have to pay €129 to buy in. You can use any device and any wireless controller to get going.
It's really hard to justify the buy in for next weeks launch, when next years launch won't cos anything (unless you want to buy a standalone Stadia controller).
It's a beta, in all but name

Plus I already have a 4k Android TV with built in Chromecast.
Google have stated that they plan to support that setup in the future.
What happens to the Chromecast Ultra at that point, when I no longer need it for Stadia?
It's fúcking useless then!

It's as if you are paying for the pleasure of being a beta tester

Robert ninja

Google may be a juggernaut but the fact is most of their products fail. Catalogs, wave, google plus, answers, notebook, google video (not youtube, they bought that) etc. Their only good product that they're not famous for was reader and they killed that themselves. Stadia could be a relative success or be a niche service that some enjoy but gets dropped if it's not up to their email, data storage or search engine levels of adoption.

marcbrophy

I've often referred to the Nov launch as the soft launch and the real launch is in Feb when the basic service goes active for free.
At that time, there's no barrier to entry. You don't have to pay €129 to buy in. You can use any device and any wireless controller to get going.
It's really hard to justify the buy in for next weeks launch, when next years launch won't cos anything (unless you want to buy a standalone Stadia controller).
It's a beta, in all but name

Plus I already have a 4k Android TV with built in Chromecast.
Google have stated that they plan to support that setup in the future.
What happens to the Chromecast Ultra at that point, when I no longer need it for Stadia?
It's fúcking useless then!

[Deleted User]

Just cancelled my preorder there. With the money saved I'm buying RDR2 ultimate edition and Far Cry 5 gold edition and still have €60 left over.

I like the idea of Stadia, but the reality is most of my gaming is online with friends, and I'm gonna be all there on my own on Stadia. I hope it's a success, though.

dreamers75

The AMA shows that the Epic Store is feature rich compared to this

You might not get your ultra and gamepad on the same day

[Deleted User]

Really interested to see how this pans out. I think this business model is inevitable for gaming.

ancapailldorcha

I really don't like the idea of this. Aside from the limitation of current internet speeds and reliability, I prefer to have my games on my end. I understand that I don't own them but I shouldn't have to be online to enjoy single player games.

marcbrophy

ERG89 wrote: »

Hopefully Gylt appears on other systems eventually as it looked interesting when it was revealed.

It looks alright to me, reminds me Edith Finch in ways!
Here's the launch trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inxIiG8lNRI

ERG89

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

looking at the stadia launch lineup, theres feck all in it that isnt already on console at a significantly cheaper price.

indeed, with black friday sales around the corner, they're likely to get further cuts.

A good line up if it was 2018. Surprised DOOM 2016 isn't on it even though Ethernal was delayed.
Hopefully Gylt appears on other systems eventually as it looked interesting when it was revealed.

blockfighter

My order is due to arrive on 22 - 25 November. Im looking forward to it. The launch lineup is light but if the tech works I can see me knocking great use out of it.

marcbrophy

There's a few good answers coming out of the AMA that started at 6pm!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/dvv3tv/hi_reddit_andrey_from_the_stadia_team_here_and_im/?st=k2xkbwne&sh=6a774acd

For instance, as soon as they ship your physical stuff, you'll get the invite via email.
You can use then iOS or Android app to sign up and get your username straight away.
From there, you can play away on your PC or chromebook while waiting on the controller to arrive

Stone Deaf 4evr

Basil3 wrote: »

Still undecided about whether to cancel my Founder's Edition pre-order. Already have two Xboxes and a PS4, and a list of games I've been meaning to get around to. I just don't know which games I'll actually play on Stadia.

My Mrs is also going to kill me if she sees it, so there's that.

looking at the stadia launch lineup, theres feck all in it that isnt already on console at a significantly cheaper price.
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indeed, with black friday sales around the corner, they're likely to get further cuts.

[Deleted User]

Still undecided about whether to cancel my Founder's Edition pre-order. Already have two Xboxes and a PS4, and a list of games I've been meaning to get around to. I just don't know which games I'll actually play on Stadia.

My Mrs is also going to kill me if she sees it, so there's that.

TitianGerm

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

Yea, I think it looks good. €180 at launch is a good price for me to upgrade from my PS3. A PS4 or XBOX is going to cost double this price.

Does anyone know how to purchase the founder edition though?
Just because the midnight blue controller looks cool,
the wasabi and white ones look w**k...

You can get a diskless Xbox One S for £180 at the minute.

https://www.monster-shop.co.uk/product/xbox-one-s-1tb/

I'd imagine it'll be £150ish in various places on black Friday. Get Game Pass and your sorted.

marcbrophy

Grumpypants wrote: »

I'm concerned about the pricing of games. I have a founders on pre-order. But looking at the games I either have them or have zero interest in them. The only maybe game is something like RAGE 2. Which you can pick up routinely for around €20 now. Is it going to be priced at that price point or will it be an early adoptors bargain of €69.99

Yeah, there won't be any parity with existing platforms, just because a game might be 6 or 12 months old on those platforms already.

It'll be this is a new game on our new platform and it'll be sold at a new price.
Same as when a lot of old stuff came to switch at the start.

That's just my opinion of course and I'll be seriously shocked if they do launch with cheaper than "New" pricing

Grumpypants

I'm concerned about the pricing of games. I have a founders on pre-order. But looking at the games I either have them or have zero interest in them. The only maybe game is something like RAGE 2. Which you can pick up routinely for around €20 now. Is it going to be priced at that price point or will it be an early adoptors bargain of €69.99

marcbrophy

Yes, founders edition are due to start dropping in peoples houses from Nov 19th.

I have a founders edition on pre-order myself.
You can check your order in the google store for expected delivery.
Mine says expected delivery between Nov 27th-28th.
I'm obviously not part of the first batch, only ordered it Aug 21st.

And really, I just know that my money gets me a controller, Chromecast Ultra and 3 months Stadia Pro.

For me, I didn't really plan on buying games, was going to see how the subscription service fleshes out over the next few months.

But I might buy RDR2 for Stadia over PC if it runs better and if you get a discount for Stadia Pro! I'll see. I did want it to be more of Netflix service than purchase individual items and hopefully the Pro service ends up that way, but nothing is sure yet less than 6 days from "launch"

Stone Deaf 4evr

I just realised that the launch date for this is next tuesday!

I've a feeling this thing is dead before it ever gets going, the launch lineup is like a greatest hits of the year gone by, and there seems like they've generated little to no buzz or hype about it.

H3llR4iser

They're starting with the nonsense/straight out lies marketing speak now:

https://www.pcgamer.com/grid-for-stadia-has-a-40-car-mode-that-isnt-possible-with-other-hardware/

The whole premises make no sense - games run locally, they'll need to exchange just a stream of data about positioning of the cars etc. through the network. No modern PC/Console will have trouble interpreting and rendering such data.

The bottleneck is bandwidth...and Stadia uses it to stream video and audio as well.

Yet, it looks like they do have an audience - the comments section of that article is filled with people who clearly don't know how games work, going on about "yeah, your computer can't possibly render 40 cars!"

Also...40 cars pileups at the first corner. No thanks, it's ridiculous enough with 20 already!

Irish Halo

Ethereal Cereal wrote: »

Yea, I think it looks good. €180 at launch is a good price for me to upgrade from my PS3. A PS4 or XBOX is going to cost double this price.

Does anyone know how to purchase the founder edition though?
Just because the midnight blue controller looks cool,
the wasabi and white ones look w**k...

You should be able to pre-order here:
https://store.google.com/product/stadia

Though it looks like the Founders Edition is gone.

I cancelled mine a few weeks ago, decided it was not worth it, the buying games and paying a subscription was a step too far, I'll just buy them for my PS4 (or Switch).

Ethereal Cereal

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I'm curious about Stadia.

To be honest, the Destiny 2 details have me interested, from the cross save perspective. I figure that will be a good place for me to dip my toe.

I do have concerns on (1) Bandwidth, (2) Latency - but i'm considering the founder thing. Just to see what it is like, to be honest.

Yea, I think it looks good. €180 at launch is a good price for me to upgrade from my PS3. A PS4 or XBOX is going to cost double this price.

Does anyone know how to purchase the founder edition though?
Just because the midnight blue controller looks cool,
the wasabi and white ones look w**k...

Shiminay

Yea, you can't trust them at all.

super_furry

I’ve done a full 180 on this and cancelled my pre-order. Still intrigued by the tech but with Microsoft looking to at least match it and Google’s eagerness to drop technology at the drop of a hat, I don’t really have any faith that they won’t do the same here.

I got a Daydream VR headset last year – a nice piece of kit with a great handheld remote that worked really well with my Samsung S8. Then last week I upgraded my phone to the latest S10 model and suddenly it doesn’t work with the Daydream because Google have abandoned the project. It’s a technically superior phone, it can do the job and indeed when I put it in the VR headset, I can see the software appearing on screen and working but because Google don’t ‘support’ the new phone, I get a pop-up that covers the screen telling me it’s not compatible.

It’s the same with the latest Google Pixel 3A and 3A XL phones too. They just cut and run from projects like this at the drop of a hat.

awec

Robert ninja wrote: »

I don't think they're avoiding it for competitive matching & fairness reasons. It's much more likely an issue with Google like there was/is with Sony about crossplay and the fact that it's not a windows version. Nothing they can't overcome though, Borderlands had OSX, Windows & Linux crossplay for years until they borked it with the windows graphics update.

There will be technical reasons too.

Anyone rendering locally will always have an advantage over someone rendering remotely when it comes to multiplayer.