user1842 wrote: » You are nit picking now and I think you know I meant a connection capable of the speeds outlined by the NBP.
Marlow wrote: » Where did you get that notion ? Even if the line provided by NBI under the NBP is capable of 150/30 (maximum), that's still a contended product. It certainly won't be uncontended unless you pay a premium. And then there is the fact, that NBI does not fill the line with internet. The wholesale partner does. Every network differs on how it performs. /M
user1842 wrote: » Even if the map changes it does not matter. The providers have to give the minimum speeds now to everybody.
celticbhoy27 wrote: » I get it, navi I've followed this bloody thing since inception. The map will not change to exclude areas imagine or any other wisp cover trust me
Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » You're not really getting it. The network that will be built will support speeds of 150Mb/s. The network can only be built where current speeds are less than 30Mb/s. That is what the recent complaints by WISPs was about. Getting premises that they say are over 30Mb/s removed. It is unclear whether this has happened or not.
Marlow wrote: » No. /M
Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » I have heard rumours of some form of agreement being offered by the Department for operators to sign. Did you hear anything about that?
Marlow wrote: » This is the only way, they can limit the amount of providers, that'll provide that without providing it on fiber. I guess it was build to in remove or limit the opportunity to challenge this, which is a smart move on behalf of the commission. It also means, that the department can't go back on their promise on 150/30. So they can not use the state aid for the 5-10% last premises, where they intended to use wireless, unless they opt for premium equipment. They will also here .. have to provide those speeds. This is the part, where premises already covered by two independant providers both offering NGA speeds (30 Mbit/s or more) may be loosing out. The final intervention map should be able to shed light into that. /M
celticbhoy27 wrote: » Commission in granting state aid has said speeds of at least 150 and 30 upload required. Adrian wreckler who I linked via Twitter has it well sumerised
Interesting detail in Commission statement, mentions "download speeds of at least 150 Megabits per second and upload speeds of at least 30 Megabits per second". Criteria shifting upwards.
Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » What about this bit?
The scheme targets areas where no broadband infrastructure offering download speeds of at least 30 Mbps is currently in place
Pique wrote: »
celticbhoy27 wrote: » Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » Interested to see the final intervention map now. I wonder have any premises been removed? m Map will stay the same. Speeds of at least 150 and upload of 30 bye bye imaginehttps://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/1195296075059539969?s=09
Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » Interested to see the final intervention map now. I wonder have any premises been removed?
Emmanuel Lemon Louse wrote: » Interested to see the final intervention map now. I wonder have any premises been removed?[/QUOTm Map will stay the same. Speeds of at least 150 and upload of 30 bye bye imaginehttps://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/1195296075059539969?s=09
ussjtrunks wrote: » So How long now till we get started? Should the EU approval allow them to sign the contract?
clohamon wrote: » State Aid approval.https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_19_6291
The European Commission has approved, under EU State aid rules, €2.6 billion of public support for the Irish National Broadband Plan. The scheme will bring high-speed broadband services to consumers and businesses in areas with insufficient connectivity in Ireland. Commissioner Margrethe Vestager, in charge of competition policy said: “The National Broadband Plan in Ireland is expected to address the significant digital divide between urban and rural areas in Ireland, enabling Irish consumers and businesses to benefit from the full potential of digital growth. This will help households and businesses in areas of Ireland where private investment is insufficient.” The National Broadband Plan has an indicative budget of €2.6 billion. The scheme aims to address connectivity deficits across Ireland and to achieve 100% high-speed coverage. The new network will be capable of supporting download speeds of at least 150 Megabits per second (Mbps) and upload speeds of at least 30 Megabits per second (Mbps). It will also provide access to improved broadband services, which will stimulate the development of a modern digital economy. The scheme targets areas where no broadband infrastructure offering download speeds of at least 30 Mbps is currently in place, and where no private investor has demonstrated a concrete plan to invest commercially in the near future.The Irish authorities have developed a comprehensive mapping of available infrastructure and carried out numerous public consultations in order to determine the target areas. The subsidised network will offer wholesale access to all operators on an open, transparent and non-discriminatory basis, and will therefore incentivise private investments in the provision of high-speed internet services to households and businesses in the target areas. The Commission assessed the measure under EU State aid rules, in particular its 2013 Broadband Guidelines. The Commission concluded that the scheme's positive effects on competition in the Irish broadband market outweigh potential negative effects brought about by the public intervention. On this basis, the Commission approved the measure under EU State aid rules. The scheme will contribute to the EU strategic objectives set out in the Digital Agenda for Europe and in the Communication "Towards a European Gigabit Society". Background Broadband connectivity is of strategic importance for European growth and innovation in all sectors of the economy, as well as for social and territorial cohesion. The Digital Agenda for Europeacknowledges the socio-economic benefits of broadband and sets targets for broadband development in Europe, including that 50% or more of European households should subscribe to internet connections above 100 Mbps. The Digital Agenda for Europe was complemented in 2016 by the Gigabit Communication, which defines connectivity objectives to be achieved by 2025, where the development of very high capacity networks able to provide download speeds of at least 100 Mbps, upgradeable to 1 Gbps, should enable the widespread use of products, services and applications in the Digital Single Market. The 2013 Broadband Guidelines allow for public interventions where private initiatives are not sufficient, while protecting private investment and competition as a key driver for investment, better prices and quality of services for consumers and businesses. The non-confidential version of the current decision will be made available under the case number SA.54472 in the State Aid Register on the DG Competition website once any confidentiality issues have been resolved. New publications of state aid decisions on the internet and in the Official Journal are listed in the State Aid Weekly e-News
gearoidol wrote: » Somebody more knowledgeable might help fill me in on the wisp approach.Im based about 8 miles from the nearest town who have efibre,a village 3 miles away has ftth which finishes 200m away from me. I work from home and am very grateful to be covered by a wisp who give me a fairly solid 70mb connection with the last 10 years (originally 4mb,then 8mb,then 20 now 70). The wisp in question are pushing wireless as a viable solution to the nbp. The question I have is taking my road as an example I can see the wireless base antenna as can my next door neighbours then 3 houses cannot ,then the next 2 can etc ,how is the wireless provider ever going to cover all the houses even in a few mile stretch of my road when the topology means multiple masts will be needs to give line of site and then extrapolate that problem out nationwide ,when often permission for these base stations are on a goodwill basis with farmers etc very reluctant to putting anything in writing ?
BarryM wrote: » Is that not why 'fibre to the home' is being funded? My (maybe naive) understanding of the NBP is that it was/is conceived to provide a fibre connection (30Mb?) to everybody. The poster says he gets 70Mb by wifi, so, presumably the actual NBP, if ever delivered, will match that I get 30Mb over a wifi connection from a mast ~ 5Km away, over the sea, I suppose I could get more, if I asked. A (subsidised) delivery of 30 via fibre by NBP is not a big improvement in 202?
