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HGV in private estate - revving -early morning ?

Momof2

My next door neighbour is parking his HGV cab out front of our houses. We live in an estate that is a cul de sac. Every morning he starts up the cab between 4am and 5am, he leaves it running to 'heat up' before he gets into it, this can be anywhere between 5 mins to 15 mins. He then revs it a few times before driving off. Every morning this wakes us all and it is now taking a toll on my own health, I don't want to be up at 4am/5am, I'm sitting here wide awake with my 2 kids one of whom is disabled and they are due to be up for school at 7am but are yet again awake at this early hour.

We are all exhausted, this has been going on for months, the HGV cab is parked outside 7 days a week, The other neighbours are not bothered as it is not affecting them directly, the other neighbours close by are friends or family of this neighbour. I've tried talking to him but he pretends not to understand me.

I've contacted the council but they can't do anything as the estate is private and we have been told to take it up with the resident committee, I have mentioned it to the head person but they are friends with the next door neighbour and often spend time together in each others houses. Before I go to the guards I wonder if anyone knows the legalities surrounding this ?

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rock22

No idea. But residents in , I think Sligo, took a case against Irish Rail because an engine was left running all night. I believe they were successful. About 12 years ago so I can't post a link.

Wildly Boaring

There is a committee so private estate...

Write to the residents committee.
Don't mention it to them.

Secondly have you spoken to him about not revving? He could easily park facing the road. Leave the estate at low revs.

Thirdly. Check your deeds. May prohibit hgv parking.

Last resort. Ear plugs.

Cannot see the guards getting involved in someone driving to work.

BKtje

Legally i have no idea but you check out the following link for more information including your options. Check out section on domestic noise.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/environmental_protection/noise_regulations.html#l4a9c0

Hope this helps

Salary Negotiator

Is the vehicle left unattended while it’s idling? If so speak to the guards as that is a crime.

Could be worth making a noise complaint to the council as well as it could be considered a nuisance.

If you kept a log of times when this happens it would help your case.

Mod
Rather OTT!

Ferm001

Is it his own rig, or a company vehicle ? If owned by someone else, maybe give them a call and say your going to Joe if something not done. Companies don't like bad publicity.

sydthebeat

It's very easy these days to download a decibel meter to your phone.

Video record the levels using another phone.

Use these in any submission.

Actions that you can take in the mean time.
Check your vents on the walls. These are generally cheap as chips type. You can get noise reducing baffles for them.
https://www.greentherm.ie/product/super-acoustic-controllable-wall-vent/

Check all windows and doors for warped profiles.
Check all windows and doors for inadequate rubber sealings.
You make need to caulk seal around openings as well.

If windows are single glazed, or really old narrow double glazed.... change them. It wound be worth it for energy savings alone.

L1011

Phone software decibel meters are uncalibrated and extremely inaccurate

rd1izb7lvpuksx

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Is the vehicle left unattended while it’s idling? If so speak to the guards as that is a crime.

Idling isn't illegal in Ireland, is it?

Salary Negotiator

Jayda Tangy Posy wrote: »

Idling isn't illegal in Ireland, is it?

Depends on the situation. Link

87. (1) Where a vehicle as allowed to remain stationary on a public road, the driver shall not, subject to sub-article (2) of this article, leave the vehicle unattended unless—

(a) the engine of the vehicle is not running,

(b) where the engine is contained in a separate portion of the vehicle capable of being closed, such portion is closed, and

(c) where the vehicle is fitted under article 31 of these Regulations with a door or doors capable of being locked or with a device for preventing unauthorised driving, such door, doors or device is or are locked so as to prevent the vehicle being driven, and, where appropriate, the key of the door, doors or device is removed from the vehicle.

(2) Sub-article (1) of this article shall not apply to a fire brigade vehicle, the engine of which is being used for any fire fighting or rescue purpose.

GM228

Jayda Tangy Posy wrote: »

Idling isn't illegal in Ireland, is it?

It is when left unattended, but only applies to a public road as opposed to a public place so does not apply in a private estate.

It is an offence to do so as per S87 of the Road Traffic (Construction, Equipment and Use of Vehicles) Regulations 1963 as already linked to in the previous post

Salary Negotiator

GM228 wrote: »

It is when left unattended, but only applies to a public road as opposed to a public place so does not apply in a private estate.

It is an offence to do so as per S87 of the Road Traffic (Construction, Equipment and Use of Vehicles) Regulations 1963:-

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1963/si/190/made/en/print

Ah, so it doesn't really help the OP.

GM228

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Ah, so it doesn't really help the OP.

Nope.

Marcusm

How “private” is the estate? Are you sure that the council has not taken the estate in charge? This would make it a public road meaning you could try to establish whether the width of the HGV means it cannot be parked there.

If it is run by an OMC, what do the rules say about parking commercial vehicles? Often they are banned in the (misguided) interests of aesthetics. This might be an avenue to have it precluded. Otherwise, if no rules against it, you would have to rely on his betternature. Is there anywhere else adjacent where he could park it that wouldn’t create this noise nuisance?

rd1izb7lvpuksx

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Depends on the situation. Link

GM228 wrote: »

It is when left unattended, but only applies to a public road as opposed to a public place so does not apply in a private estate.

It is an offence to do so as per S87 of the Road Traffic (Construction, Equipment and Use of Vehicles) Regulations 1963 as already linked to in the previous post

Reading the legislation, and Section 31 in particular, it seems to only apply if idling while unattended and unlocked.

sydthebeat

L1011 wrote: »

Phone software decibel meters are uncalibrated and extremely inaccurate

I order to make a submission to a council or complaint to the gardai they are fine

Its up to the noise generator to pay for a proper noise survey, not the complaint.

GM228

Jayda Tangy Posy wrote: »

Reading the legislation, and Section 31 in particular, it seems to only apply if idling while unattended and unlocked.

Any vehicle on a public road should by law be locked when unattended, but locking it does not subsequently allow you to leave the engine running also.

Doop

Sounds like a bit of a nightmare, I would imagine your best course of action would be to be constantly complaining directly to him. Next time he leaves it idling at 5am throw on the dressing grown and go have a 'word'.... most people want a quiet life after all.... himself included!

D3V!L

Next time he leaves it unattended go out and pull the engine stop cord. It'll be well marked around the outside of the cab. Keep doing this until his English gets better.

rd1izb7lvpuksx

GM228 wrote: »

Any vehicle on a public road should by law be locked when unattended, but locking it does not subsequently allow you to leave the engine running also.

The SI seems to disagree with you.

coylemj

Ferm001 wrote: »

Is it his own rig, or a company vehicle ? If owned by someone else, maybe give them a call and say your going to Joe if something not done. Companies don't like bad publicity.

Haulage companies care about publicity

Can you even name one?

rightmove

coylemj wrote: »

Haulage companies care about publicity Can you even name one?

Had same issue. Rang company (and a second time) ...problem sorted

TheBoyConor

Gardai arn't gonna care. Council won't care.

Do something to discourage him parking the truck there.;);)

Mod Edit: Don't post on this thread again.

seamus

GM228 wrote: »

It is when left unattended, but only applies to a public road as opposed to a public place so does not apply in a private estate.

Is this established though? I can't see any reason why the "public" part would be interpreted differently unless it's been defined differently in legislation or case law.

That is, if a "public place" is any place that the public have access to by right or permission, then it stands to reason that a public road is any road that the public have access to by right or permission.

[Deleted User]

I always wonder whether these internet hardmen, keyboard warriors are all just piss and vinegar online or whether they are like this in real life.

I suspect not.

Mod Edit: Quote advocating illegal activity removed

28064212

seamus wrote: »

Is this established though? I can't see any reason why the "public" part would be interpreted differently unless it's been defined differently in legislation or case law.

That is, if a "public place" is any place that the public have access to by right or permission, then it stands to reason that a public road is any road that the public have access to by right or permission.

Roads Act 1993:

“public road” means a road over which a public right of way exists and the responsibility for the maintenance of which lies on a road authority;
‘road authority’ except in Part V , means a local authority

Tabnabs

OP, we had a similar problem with a neighbour parking a large commercial vehicle on our road.

I got onto the local council and they sent the garda's out to have a quiet word and the truck has never reappeared. It is illegal in some Council areas, so check again.

Prohibition of Parking of HGV's in residential area

COMHAIRLE CONTAE ATHA CLIATH THEAS

SOUTH DUBLIN COUNTY COUNCIL

Road Traffic (Traffic & Parking) Regulations, 1997 (Section 38)

Prohibition of Parking of HGVs in Residential Areas

REMINDER

South Dublin County Council imposed a ban on the parking of vehicles of 3 tonne and over on public roads within its administrative area with the exception of roads within Industrial Estates. The ban became effective on 16th February, 2004 and is enforced by An Garda Siochana.

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/Media/Item/14133?p=89

Fann Linn

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I always wonder whether these internet hardmen, keyboard warriors are all just piss and vinegar online or whether they are like this in real life.

I suspect not.

More than likely just like that lad who was jailed for trolling yesterday.
Not outta his gaff in 17 years.

coylemj

28064212 wrote: »

Roads Act 1993:

“public road” means a road over which a public right of way exists and the responsibility for the maintenance of which lies on a road authority;
‘road authority’ except in Part V , means a local authority

But most offences under the Road Traffic Act apply to events happening in a 'public place'. Which can include private property such as shopping centre car parks. The test is whether the public can drive there with vehicles.

“public place” means any street, road or other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;

28064212

coylemj wrote: »

But most offences under the Road Traffic Act apply to events happening in a 'public place'. Which can include private property such as shopping centre car parks. The test is whether the public can drive there with vehicles.

But the specific legislation being discussed is S87 of the Road Traffic (Construction, Equipment and Use of Vehicles) Regulations 1963, which specifies public road

Claw Hammer

is the estate owned by an owners management compay or is it simply an estate of privately owned houses?