readyohyeah wrote: » Let's think about it. If Irish players were let play abroad and still play internationals. You could have a situation where a player like Larmour was getting to play full back in the English premiership for example while Kearney had the 15 jersey at Leinster. A list of young players could be learning their trade abroad, we'd have far more options to select players playing in form and at a high level. If Murray moved from Munster because of a big check, a space would be open for another player to develop. It really is something that we should consider.
aloooof wrote: » So nowhere near the nearly 1 million you were claiming? Ok good, another fallacy debunked to go with your claims about central contracts.
Faugheen wrote: » You do realise the IRFU are reliant on the provinces performing in the Pro14 and the Heineken Cup, yes? You weaken the provinces then that doesn’t exactly become the case anymore. People really have a hard time grasping the impact this would have.
Niallof9 wrote: » The Pro 14 that they players hardly ever play in? The derbies that have been destroyed by player protocols? Did the sky fall in when Sexton played abroad?
Niallof9 wrote: » Will you please stop you have been posting nonsense yourself all world cup. Theres nothing bitter about it i know some of the players and people involved. One person even told me like yourself i was talking **** basically. Fair enough but they are involved i respect that. I don't respect people talking others down constantly, yet offer nothing themselves. Just happy with the status quo. Even though, like i said they have been proved wrong. Farrell is better i agree. I have no great interest in whether he stays or goes. It will melt alot of heads. In the project side, the central contract nonsense, the arrogance around our system etc. I hope Aki goes it will blow it all open. Sure didn't someone post a rumour here that Farrell was looking at this "law". It wouldn't surprise me. Players could be actively discouraged but given the ok if they jump through enough hoops.
readyohyeah wrote: » And why wouldn't they perform? Most of the Pro14 is played without internationals anyway. It would get more Irish players exposed to top level rugby. Other countries have had to change their approach. Just look at the World Cup champions. They changed their stance, do you think they would have won the World Cup without their overseas players? Not a chance. Like I said, this is something we should look into seriously.
Faugheen wrote: » ‘The Derbies that have been destroyed by player protocols’. Again, more nonsense. The three games between Munster and Leinster were great encounters last year. Leinster and Connacht at the RDS was one of the best games of the year and featured plenty of internationals. You keep posting your opinion and presenting it as fact when it’s nowhere near the case then you whinge that we’re all picking on you.
Shefwedfan wrote: » The story changes everytime. First it was you shared a pitch, then you back tracked on that Now you know the players :P What do you describe as the status quo? if you are referring to the current IRFU which is the envy of the majority of the rugby World then yes I am happy If you are referring to the management then its a whole new team so I have no idea if happy or not because they haven't had a team play a game yet, come back to me in 2 year will update then As I said above, you seem to hate everything about the IRFU and rugby, so better off just staying away from it.....and the rugby people you know :P:P:P
Faugheen wrote: » Well I’d rather the IRFU be able to control the players instead of a French club demanding they return to the team during gap weeks in the Six Nations. I don’t see anything that suggests having our best players leave the provinces would be a benefit to the national team.
Niallof9 wrote: » Yeah they were excellent games with alot of front line players. but no more my issue is you ignoring reality and me providing some backing to my statements whereas you just say nonsense or bizarre...https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/how-often-pro14s-best-players-15150535 ROG also questioned whether we play too few pro 14 games now.
Shefwedfan wrote: » SA rugby has no money, it had no option. All their players have left to make a living. Using that as a reference is ridiculous If SA could they would have every player in SA
readyohyeah wrote: » So you can't see any benefit in players playing top level competitions week in week out instead of sitting on the bench for their province during the European Cup? It will develop a far higher number of players that we'll be able to select from. It's works for other countries, it worked for South Africa. It could work for us.
readyohyeah wrote: » They lifted their ban, it worked a treat. World Cup champions while we were World Cup chumps yet again. Time for a change of approach.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Walesonline :P even the Welsh know its the biggest click bait site in the World.... Next you will link Franno, he a mate as well? Link to ROG saying the Pro14 plays too few games?
Shefwedfan wrote: » So every country in the World wants to copy Ireland and NZ model but Irish fans want to move away from it??
readyohyeah wrote: » What's your argument against more Irish players getting top level experience? Hoe can that hurt us?
Shefwedfan wrote: » Yes we should ruin Irish rugby in the hope of getting past a qtr final in 4 years time What happens in 4 years if we fail at another qtr final???? whats your great idea then??
aloooof wrote: » But you haven’t provided any backing or evidence to your statements. All the evidence provided has countered your claims.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Sorry what is your argument? Take the best Irish players and send them to England/France so they have to play week in/week out? Not get released for any ireland camps outside the internationals? Weaken the provinces so they struggle to perform in Europe? Suddenly magic up 100's of Irish rugby players from the AIL that are going to light up Europe? P.S. Do you actually think the current crop of excellent coachs that are in Ireland would come over if they don't have a chance of winning something? Is that your plan?
Niallof9 wrote: » you haven't though. You found a small chink in Furlongs money and McGraths CC. I said Toner also had a CC and was dropped.
readyohyeah wrote: » So what is your argument against more Irish players getting top level experience?
Niallof9 wrote: » you haven't though. You found a small chink in Furlongs money and McGraths CC. I said Toner also had a CC and was dropped. The top end marketable stars are in a different league. Thats your RK, POM, Furlong, Murray, Jono. I said that all in one of the posts.
aloooof wrote: » So more evidence against what you were claiming. While I’m still here waiting to see you provide a shred of evidence for your central contract claim. But there isn’t any cos it’s bollox.
Niallof9 wrote: » https://www.rugbypass.com/ ok all the stats there all of them. Even carries, passes. In black and white. all your poor analysis and backing of the wrong horse and your heroes, is there. you'll also notice how the top line cc players played **** all pro 14, which somehow is being used as a yardstick to the health of irish rugby. even though they barely play in it. This all started with somebody saying it was bizarre. Yes its totally bizarre to take Zebo, SOB , Madigan, and perhaps Aki into consideration. GUBU indeed. None of the naysayers have offered anything but anecdotal whataboutery. Irish rugby would die etc....how? lower attendances, losses, financial...how? The pyramid is now so loaded again towards the irish team that does it really matter where they play? I'd go down and watch Scott Penny, Kelleher, et al any day over Kearney, Earls whoever. Its like the RTE "stars" argument. Sure nobody would be queuing up for some of these lads. Others over a certain number deserve the payoff and it frees up space. And if it lessers the depth then start looking among the 1500 players that play below that. They found Balacounne, McCLoskey handy enough no? They can afford not to contract Kennedy, Conroy, Dardis.
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