Working class heroes wrote: » Cars are regulated. Electric scooters and the “people” who use them are not. At the moment they are illegal and should not be on a road or footpath. They are leaving themselves open to been arrested or worse. My child was hit by one of these clowns but I better say no more, eh mods?
magicbastarder wrote: » i don't think it's a matter of 'agreeing' per se - it *is* an offence whether i agree or not, if you follow me. don't leave it to me to guess what you're hinting at, as i am assuming you mean physical violence, but i also assume you wouldn't be that idiotic.
railer201 wrote: » Just an opinion but I can't see how our roads are up to spec. which allows for the small diameter wheels of E-scooters. I regularly see potholes, missing shore covers, raised manhole covers, ridges due to subsidence - all of which are capable of sending these mini-wheeled vehicles and their pilots head over heels. That's apart from balance issues - quite a few wobbly E-scooterists out there !
Working class heroes wrote: » Ok. So you accept they are then? A simple yes or no will do. I may or may not be that idiotic. But I’m certainly not idiotic enough to use these things illegally. Are you?
magicbastarder wrote: » i suspect you're reading something in my posts which is clearly not there, so i'll leave this one be.
Stark wrote: » Pretty sure assaulting people is also illegal if that's what you were getting at.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Hundreds if not thousands of daily users and this hasn't emerged as an issue
Working class heroes wrote: » They are either banned or heavily regulated in 4 European countries and at least 3 US states. So to say there are no issues is nonsense. Also did you not see the issue I’ve personally had with them(posted previously).
antodeco wrote: » Ive said this before in other threads, but a basic competency test should be required for anybody that wishes to use a road. And I mean that as blanket statement for everyone, (cyclists, scooters, horseriders, etc).
LeinsterDub wrote: » Only one section of the group is killing hundreds of people a year. You may as well call for a competency test to use a flight of stairs.
donvito99 wrote: » There is absolutely no need for any kind of "basic competency test" to use the roads. Everybody knows what to do. People just choose not to do it. And fundamentally, safety is impaired by drivers in cars. Less cars + more scooters = safer streets.
Working class heroes wrote: » Your first point is nonsense. It really is. I agree completely with your second point. I’m all for less cars on our streets. It’s a noble goal, however, it needs to be done right. Infrastructure, regulations, enforcement of law(when legislated for) etc etc..... Handing some clown who has no experience of the road an e scooter and told to work away is not very bright, IMO.
Working class heroes wrote: » Pure whataboutery at it’s finest. Look over there.
Working class heroes wrote: » Your first point is nonsense. It really is.
donvito99 wrote: » What really do you need to tell him? Drive on left? He knows this, just doesn't do it. Stop at red light? Again, small children know this, the most malignant drivers/scootists/cyclists refuse to stop. Drivers have to sit actual tests and they still manage to pelt it through red lights, occupy yellow boxes, cripple bus lanes and reduce footpaths to rubble via illegal parking. Why do you expect people on scooters to be any different is they are given a "basic competency test". It's nanny state crap.
magicbastarder wrote: » it's quite simple. there's no enforcement on the roads, for any sort of road user. proposing new regulations is all well and good, but the first step is enforcement of the existing regs.
monument wrote: » Whataboutery is a supporter of one paramilitary when confronted with the wrongs they did deflecting and saying what about the other paramilitary or what about the police or army etc. Whataboutery might also be somebody giving out about scooter users killing children and somebody else saying what about motorists. Whataboutery is not saying that there's relatively little danger posed by people walking, cycling and on scooters, so, they don't need a competency test. You might argue the point that they are wrong, but it's not whataboutery in any real sense of the phrase.
donvito99 wrote: » The M50 every morning does not support your argument that if people receive some sort of education or training that they will abide by whatever is supposedly instilled in them. Or indeed every roundabout in Ireland. Or every yellow box. And every solid white line.
Working class heroes wrote: » Sorry, by your logic as soon as some turns 17 they should be handed the keys of a car and told to work away. No point training them as they’ll probably crash anyway. Sorry I don’t accept that. Like I said, its nonsense. IMO.
donvito99 wrote: » Are u reading any of these posts? You are advocating mandatory lessons for people on scooters to rein in their behaviour. That's obviously a silly idea as it doesn't even work for motorists. Nanny state
pablo128 wrote: » We are not peasants who have to cycle to work. We like to travel in comfort, with the heating/aircon on, dry as a bone, and not soaked in sweat before we begin our days work. I did it for long enough when I was younger. It's not for me anymore.
CramCycle wrote: » I prefer to watch the peasants in their cars as I cycle in Dublin. If cycling is cheaper than driving, your doing it wring. On a more serious note, alot of cars on the road are a poverty trap for people who don't realise how easy life could be. I see students and people who are working low paid jobs around me driving in. People want to waste an extra few hours a day listening to rubbish on the radio, fire away, less cyclists at the junctions when I get there. But if your time is worth so little that you have an extra hour or two to throw away daily, then I hate to say it, maybe the people passing you by in traffic on the bus or on a bike are not the peasants.
pablo128 wrote: » hope you enjoyed the cold and rain immensely this morning on your cycle to work. I had a 25 minute drive to work, to be fair my only gripe is that the car took a little longer to warm up as it was Baltic.
Meanwhile my missus would have done the same journey in 10 minutes, as she works close to me but starts later. That's after hitting the gym in the morning which is about 20kms away.
Iactually have little gripe with cyclists or electric scooters other than thinking that the electric scooters can be dangerous for their users on an open road.
make a conscious decision to run 2 cars. I am a car enthusiast, and ex mechanic. I have an interest in cars and motorcycles. Myself and my missus are middle aged now, and no amount of cajoling, encouraging or downright insults are ever going to force us out of our cars and onto bicycles.
Again, enjoy your commute tomorrow. Hopefully you don't have ice cold rain pummelling your face on your way.
