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Second Captains

ballsymchugh

Thought I'd update the OP with links and stuff for anyone who stumbles across this.

The former Off the Ball hosts have partnered with The Irish Times to do a series of weekly podcasts. They go online each Tuesday and cover a variety of sports, with a number of contributors including Sid Lowe, Richie Sadlier, Gerry Thornley and Shane Horgan.

They can be found:
On The Irish Times' site: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains
On Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com
On iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ie/podcast/second-captains-irish-times/id647893016?mt=2

Or if you prefer not to use iTunes for your podcasts, use this link in whatever app you use (Thanks to youcancallmeal): http://feeds.feedburner.com/secondcaptainsitcom

And here are their Twitter and Facebook accounts.

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wnolan1992

so they're almost finished their gardening leave...

where will they end up?

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yermandan

'it's a response not to Christmas, but to the crispness in the air'

Seamy Fitz

wontickets wrote: »

I have won tickets (through work) to an event called called Second Captains Live.

I assume it is something to do with a podcast of the same name but I can't find any episodes online unless I pay a subscription.

Could anyone explain what it is about or what I could expect at the event?

Thanks you in advance.

Hi Won Tickets,

Its a hoax. They are a bunch a guys who got fired back by Newstalk back in the day for being too independently minded. If you go they will get the diabetic with the long hair to ramble on about Man City's latest wobble mirroring the fall of the Roman Empire. Then they will try and sell you shares in their Pyramid scheme.

Please send on tickets to seamythelawyer@gmail.com and I will pursue your case in the small claims court. I only take a small commission if we are successful.

Remember to SEND ME YOUR TICKETS as I will need them as evidence in our case against these degenerates.

Caveat Emptor,

Seamy

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

This political party piece has been brought to you by kens personal opinions. God I really really hate that, a 10 minute rant at the end of the football pod. Not everyone agrees with you Ken.

[Deleted User]

Hunky Monster wrote: »

This political party piece has been brought to you by kens personal opinions. God I really really hate that, a 10 minute rant at the end of the football pod. Not everyone agrees with you Ken.

So what do you want him to do? - Not to express his opinions on the off chance that you might not agree. For me, Ken's take on things have always been the most interesting part of Second Captain's output.

Dots1982

StockTwat29 wrote: »

Someone wrote in asking why he hasn't presented a show this year basically, Eoin said he's working on something special

So he’s working on something special for a year with no plans to return.

I hope he gets through it well and is back on the show soon.

Arghus

Hunky Monster wrote: »

This political party piece has been brought to you by kens personal opinions. God I really really hate that, a 10 minute rant at the end of the football pod. Not everyone agrees with you Ken.

I agree with him.

Loafing Oaf

"A loose thread in the jumper of his confidence":D

Brock Turnpike

Was it just me who found the rugby discussion really jarring? They seemed to cut the English guy short every time he was speaking. Like they had edited what he was actually saying because it was too controversial, or he's gone off on a word rant.

Raisins

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Was it just me who found the rugby discussion really jarring? They seemed to cut the English guy short every time he was speaking. Like they had edited what he was actually saying because it was too controversial, or he's gone off on a word rant.

I noticed that too. Sounded like it was edited. If it wasn’t then they got a guy on who’s written a book on the subject and hardly let him speak. That wouldn’t be their form.

Obrieski

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Was it just me who found the rugby discussion really jarring? They seemed to cut the English guy short every time he was speaking. Like they had edited what he was actually saying because it was too controversial, or he's gone off on a word rant.

Thought the same myself as I listened.
He hardly spoke at all...or should I say, whatever he spoke of was hugely edited out so it felt as if he was a pointless contributor with not much to say.

lawred2

Arghus wrote: »

I agree with him.

100%. He was quite reserved about it in my mind. I'd have even choicer words for that poppy propoganda group think bull$hit.

[Deleted User]

Ahwell wrote: »

So what do you want him to do? - Not to express his opinions on the off chance that you might not agree. For me, Ken's take on things have always been the most interesting part of Second Captain's output.

I think it's fine for him to express his opinions but it would be nice to have some of his assumptions challenged at least.

He has this way of creating straw man arguments that can be easily responded but aren't (usually Murph just giggles along, Eoin occasionally plays devil's advocate, just wish he would do it more often).

The guest journos will never challenge it because they have too much to lose to be controversial.

lawred2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think it's fine for him to express his opinions but it would be nice to have some of his assumptions challenged at least.

He has this way of creating straw man arguments that can be easily responded but aren't (usually Murph just giggles along, Eoin occasionally plays devil's advocate, just wish he would do it more often).

The guest journos will never challenge it because they have too much to lose to be controversial.

Send him a strongly worded letter

wontickets

StockTwat29 wrote: »

On their website the monday podcasts are free, it's a general sports podcast so they will have guests on and talk about whatever sport, try not to be too serious

Ok thanks found it.

Would yesterdays podcast be typical of their output?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think it's fine for him to express his opinions but it would be nice to have some of his assumptions challenged at least.

He has this way of creating straw man arguments that can be easily responded but aren't (usually Murph just giggles along, Eoin occasionally plays devil's advocate, just wish he would do it more often).

The guest journos will never challenge it because they have too much to lose to be controversial.

That’s my main gripe with him. He can be let off on a ten minute rant and at the end of it you get a “grand, and on tomorrows second captains...”

Loafing Oaf

lawred2 wrote: »

Send him a strongly worded letter

making sure to include the phrase "I wouldn't necessarily agree with anything Ken Early has to say about politics."

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

making sure to include the phrase "I wouldn't necessarily agree with anything Ken Early has to say about politics."

They won’t read it out unless you’re living in Australia or Canada.

Beersmith

Their tag line seems to be member led journalism but it just seems like member funded journalism. I did think over the last few years that world service members would have more of a say over what should be covered.

Delaney out (Miguel)

Cienciano

Hunky Monster wrote: »

This political party piece has been brought to you by kens personal opinions. God I really really hate that, a 10 minute rant at the end of the football pod. Not everyone agrees with you Ken.

The bit on the poppy? I thought that was a good piece by Ken.

Still Ill

Beersmith wrote: »

Their tag line seems to be member led journalism but it just seems like member funded journalism. I did think over the last few years that world service members would have more of a say over what should be covered.

Delaney out (Miguel)

Not trying to be smart (no idea if you have tried or not), but if there's something you'd really like them to cover you could shoot them an email. I'm sure they'd be open to covering different things if they thought there was a demand.

I gave the first few political pods a listen, but didn't find them hugely interesting. I just skip them generally these days unless it's something I'm really interested in. I tend to have a backlog in pods to listen to, so no big deal to me to skip one or two if it's a political/GAA one.

bren2001

Beersmith wrote: »

Their tag line seems to be member led journalism but it just seems like member funded journalism. I did think over the last few years that world service members would have more of a say over what should be covered.

Delaney out (Miguel)

Subs have been increasing since the start but starting to level off a bit. That's member led journalism, no?

Beersmith

bren2001 wrote: »

Subs have been increasing since the start but starting to level off a bit. That's member led journalism, no?

I don't know how subscription based equals member led no

Beersmith

Still Ill wrote: »

Not trying to be smart (no idea if you have tried or not), but if there's something you'd really like them to cover you could shoot them an email. I'm sure they'd be open to covering different things if they thought there was a demand.

I gave the first few political pods a listen, but didn't find them hugely interesting. I just skip them generally these days unless it's something I'm really interested in. I tend to have a backlog in pods to listen to, so no big deal to me to skip one or two if it's a political/GAA one.

Fair point. I have indeed emailed them several times about trying to get them to cover the LOI and tweeted them about a ken travel pod. No replies to any of them.

I love the pod but I don't have any say except in the vaguest way of vote with your feet and UnSubscribe!

RedRochey

Beersmith wrote: »

I don't know how subscription based equals member led no

Cause the members are the ones funding the whole thing, it's not owned by the Irish Times or Newstalk etc, there's no advertising

bren2001

Beersmith wrote: »

I don't know how subscription based equals member led no

If subs are going up, they are giving members what they want and nothing needs to change.
If subs are going down, they are not giving members what they want and must change.

Hence, member-led journalism. They have access to downloads, number of listens etc. and can judge from there what is/is not working. On Newstalk or the Irish Times they did not or may not have had as much access to this information or complete creative control. It's just not as direct as members emailing in suggestions but still is member-led journalism.

Cienciano

Beersmith wrote: »

Fair point. I have indeed emailed them several times about trying to get them to cover the LOI and tweeted them about a ken travel pod. No replies to any of them.

I love the pod but I don't have any say except in the vaguest way of vote with your feet and UnSubscribe!

Member led means they aren't owned by someone like Denis O'Brien. They have no agenda to follow. They cover what the members want. That doesn't mean each and every member gets what they like covered. They get a lot of emails and response on social media and have a good idea what the majority of their listeners want.
They do a small bit on the league of Ireland, like the cup final bit last week, they probably feel that covers the smaller demand for LOI.

Just the nature of sports and the huge variety out there, not 1 person is going to get exactly what they like covered.

Raoul

Beersmith wrote: »

Fair point. I have indeed emailed them several times about trying to get them to cover the LOI and tweeted them about a ken travel pod. No replies to any of them.

I love the pod but I don't have any say except in the vaguest way of vote with your feet and UnSubscribe!

There is your problem. There is no point trying to get them to do something they don't want to do

:D. I was really hopeful at the start of last season with Murph going to a Pat's game. It was being vaunted as if it was going to be a regular thing but then I think Eoin and Ken went to one match and that was it?

They should have David Sneyd on to talk LOI or Dan McDonnell or Richie. Even just for ten minutes every week or something but I gave up trying to get them to cover it. I have sent emails before too.

Still Ill

Raoul wrote: »

There is your problem. There is not point trying to get them to do something they don't want to do :D. I was really hopeful at the start of last season with Murph going to a Pat's game. It was being vaunted as if it was going to be a regular thing but then I think Eoin and Ken went to one match and that was it?

They should have David Sneyd on to talk LOI or Dan McDonnell or Richie. Even just for ten minutes every week or something but I gave up trying to get them to cover it. I have sent emails before too.

Have little interest in LOI myself, but would certainly listen to any of those three speaking about it. Enjoy all their contributions.

tomwaits48

Still Ill wrote: »

Have little interest in LOI myself, but would certainly listen to any of those three speaking about it. Enjoy all their contributions.

I'd rather more LOI than women's football coverage in any case!

Eire-Dearg

Their GAA stuff can be pitiful at times, I wouldn't expect much better with the League of Ireland.

It is basically a soccer and rugby podcast, with other bits sprinkled in when it suits them. I'm a huge fan, but mostly because their soccer stuff can be better then most other offerings in the UK. If there was no Ken and the soccer content went backwards I wouldn't be a Patron.