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Everyone looks very tired these days

Snow Garden

I have noticed that everyone is going around looking very tired or practically exhausted. Especially in the last 5-10 years. You can see it in the eyes and people seem to be constantly yawning.

I am not sure if it's overwork or lack of sleep or too much screen time or a combination of all of those things.

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Snow Garden

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

It's working nights which affects your immune system. Dr Matthew Walker talks about a lot...I know 3 people who worked nights for 10+ years ...all developed cancer during their 50's, all bowel cancer too

What causes the health issues exactly? What does the science say?

c.p.w.g.w

Snow Garden wrote: »

What causes the health issues exactly? What does the science say?

Due to a disrupted circadian rhythm, you bodies immune system doesn't function to its fullest. Our immune system produces cells that can kill cancer cells, with less than 6 hours of sleep the production of the cells is significantly reduced.

If you work nights, you really need to follow the same patterns at the weekend for your circadian rhythm to full adjust.

Very interesting podcast, its long but it doesn't feel as long its really good...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig

Another one about Sleep Tablets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Is-C5fr_es

[Deleted User]

Snow Garden wrote: »

I am not sure if it's overwork or lack of sleep or too much screen time or a combination of all of those things.

Could be some of that. Anecdotally the only people I notice who have the issue of constant tiredness - or the dreaded afternoon crash - are the people who have a superfluously high energy meal at some point in their day or live a sedentary existence for the majority of their day.

For the former - usually doughnuts or similar at lunch for example. Seems to lead to a very short time frame of high energy followed by many hours of being crashed tired and miserable. So I suspect you can add food choices into the mix of sleep and screen issues.

For the latter - it tends to be the people who have to sit in one place all day. Or especially people with long commutes. Counter intuitively it would seem being bored and/or sedentary is exhausting where as being physically and mentally active leads to more energy and well being. Like "You need to spend money to make money" it almost seems like the more energy you expend - the more you have.

NIMAN wrote: »

Gov should send them out to every household.

Meh - would not do much. Vitamin D supplements are for the most part a complete waste of time and money. And for some reason it is up there with cholesterol on the list of things first line doctors will test for.

Asthma patients - pregnant women - and babies in the 12-18 months area in climates with little sun light probably benefit. That is about it.

But I know for example it was recommended to maintain musculoskeletal health in some areas in the US and others and there is seemingly no data whatsoever that this is a useful recommendation at all. But somewhere near 45% of the elderly in the states are taking Vitamin D supplements. Who knows why.

[Deleted User]

LirW wrote: »

Nobody taking their vitamin D, that's why

Thanks for the reminder, took some this morning

[Deleted User]

I can't say I have noticed or dare I say I disagree that everyone looks tired these days.
There are of course tired looking folk about but they are the minority IMO.

[Deleted User]

People say the same about me OP.

... Well my blepharitis doesn't help.

Then at my age I'm fed up and jaded with the routine that the seasons have become here in Ireland.

As an example When I was small TV the Late Late Show was screened on a Saturday night when I was very small. Rip presenter.

Nowadays, screened on Friday night on RTE the same program is a "contrived, planned, processed show of sophisticated nonense" : as eloquently phrased by another boardsie a few years ago.

Hamleys toys have gone from Ireland: Smyths toys are ruling the roost. Smyths have a website and thriving YouTube channel.

Irish people complain that they don't get world class health services, yet they don't want to pay commensurate taxes...

I have health insurance.

iLikeWaffles

Deleted User wrote: »

People say the same about me OP.

... Well my blepharitis doesn't help.

Then at my age I'm fed up and jaded with the routine that the seasons have become here in Ireland.

As an example When I was small TV the Late Late Show was screened on a Saturday night when I was very small. Rip presenter.

Nowadays, screened on Friday night on RTE the same program is a "contrived, planned, processed show of sophisticated nonense" : as eloquently phrased by another boardsie a few years ago.

Hamleys toys have gone from Ireland: Smyths toys are ruling the roost. Smyths have a website and thriving YouTube channel.

Irish people complain that they don't get world class health services, yet they don't want to pay commensurate taxes...

I have health insurance.

Need to stop watching the Late Late show if it's giving you swollen eye's and keeping up at night!

Ubbquittious

What I noticed is people are on a fierce rush on the road these days. You could be flooring it and there will be some fooker overtaking you and also there's a resurgence in people flashing you in order to get past.

The tiger is roaring now at full blast. Better to take out a few loans and go mad spending. When the party's over we'll all be paying for the clean up anyway.

GoneHome

Snow Garden wrote: »

I have noticed that everyone is going around looking very tired or practically exhausted.

It's because people don't go to bed early enough! I'm in bed by 9.00/9.30 every night during the week, work colleagues have told me they don't go to bed until 12.00/12.30/1.00, it's just too late when you have to be up early in the morning for work.

Squall Leonhart

GoneHome wrote: »

It's because people don't go to bed early enough! I'm in bed by 9.00/9.30 every night during the week, work colleagues have told me they don't go to bed until 12.00/12.30/1.00, it's just too late when you have to be up early in the morning for work.

There's something to this I suspect. Most nights I'd be in bed by 2300-2315, up at 0640. I could do with an extra hour, but I have two indoor dogs, I've played around with how long they can be left without being let out to the toilet... So... Somewhat trapped unless I want to mop up first thing in the morning! Have looked into pet flaps, still might be an option

[Deleted User]

PsychoPete wrote: »

Might have something to do with people stuck to their devices

Everyone's days are just longer. The devices are a welcome release from the toil of life.

boring accountant

Potential-Monke wrote: »

it's scientific fact that working night shifts can lead to reduced health, but I can't find if it's just night shifts, or working night shifts in tandem with day shifts. TBH, I can't see why working a solid, let's say, 10pm to 6am shift 5 nights a week would be any more detrimental compared to a day 10am to 6pm shift. As long as you're not trying to get back into 'day mode' on your days off, I can't see why it would, unless you're one of those people who just 'needs' the sun/sunlight (i'm ginger, I don't). On my days off I don't change, I still get up at 4pm and stay up till 8 or 9 am.

Again, I'd imagine most studies (if not all) looked at those working nights as part of a pattern, rather than just nights and keeping the night times on your days off.

It's not just night shifts, it's shift work in general. The overwhelming majority of people require routine. Going to bed and waking up at the same time every day is the optimum. I'm sure night shifts are more strenuous due to the lack of social life that goes with it also being out of sync with the body's natural state.

I would say one is probably better off working 9-7 5 days a week than working 12 hours shifts week on week off. You may think the weeks rest does you good, but really you're only just about repairing the damage done in the previous week.

I know from experience the times where I was waking up at irregular times and then had to reset my sleep schedule made me feel strung out.

Potential-Monke

I agree, shift work again is crap, having done it for 9 years. But I think this is different. Yes, there is one week where we're off Mon-Fri, but we're only working Sat/Sun that week. Never more than 3 shifts in a row, and aside from 1 instance we're trying to resolve (3 on, 1 off, 3 on, ie: Fri-Sun, off Mon, work Tue-Thu), we've a min of 2 days off each time. There is a pattern, but it's over 8 weeks, and I believe I'm doing the right thing by keeping my waking hours the same on my days off (4pm-8/9am).

That's what I'm trying to look into, but all studies are from people working swinging shifts, or trying to keep a daytime schedule on days off.

boring accountant

Deleted User wrote: »

Meh - would not do much. Vitamin D supplements are for the most part a complete waste of time and money. And for some reason it is up there with cholesterol on the list of things first line doctors will test for.

Asthma patients - pregnant women - and babies in the 12-18 months area in climates with little sun light probably benefit. That is about it.

But I know for example it was recommended to maintain musculoskeletal health in some areas in the US and others and there is seemingly no data whatsoever that this is a useful recommendation at all. But somewhere near 45% of the elderly in the states are taking Vitamin D supplements. Who knows why.

Considering we have very little sun light here during winter and many of us spend 95% of the daylight hours during winter indoors does it not make sense for us to take Vitamin D?

Aongus Von Bismarck

People are tired because they spend their days gormlessly staring at a computer screen doing intellectually and spiritually empty work. This is punctuated with regular and obsessive usage of their smartphone to get their dopamine fix - feeds of constant information that they've been trained to believe is important to them.

They then leave work, travel home while gawking aimlessly into their smartphone, and arrive into their home so they can spend their evenings flicking through Netflix looking for something to watch. Streams of constant distraction.

They are hopeless addicts, and the drooped posture, ashen-faced features, and constant complaints of fatigue are classic symptoms of addiction. They are but slaves to modern capitalism, and the religion of individualism.

I'd suggest a pretty effective treatment for this fatigue would be to close down all your social media accounts, take up exercise, limit your personal internet usage to when you can sit down at a laptop and use the internet on your own terms, and read for an hour before you go to sleep.

Bingoo1

What I woundn't give for a siesta in the early afternoon !

Smart Bug

It’s due to existential dread of the impending heat death of the universe.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Im tired most days. I only sleep about 5 hours each night, the bodyclock just wakes me up at a certain hour and that's it. I do go to bed too late tho as my mind seems to switch on late at night. So around midday early afternoon im walking around like a zombie. I do think its time we introduced the siesta in this country. An hours nap in the middle of the day would do me the world of good

It would if people were disciplined and got up after an hour but what would happen here is people would head to bed for a nap at 2pm and stay there till 6/7. The country would descend into chaos.

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boring accountant wrote: »

Considering we have very little sun light here during winter and many of us spend 95% of the daylight hours during winter indoors does it not make sense for us to take Vitamin D?

It seems not really no. Or at least nothing I have read suggests it is. However most of what I have read is US based where every attempt to find any benefit to the supplements seems to fail quite consistently.

If your doctor finds an actual deficiency worth treating then that is something at least - but I fear the vast majority of people buying such supplements are doing little but increasing the content value of their urine.

Cantona's Collars

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It seems not really no. Or at least nothing I have read suggests it is. However most of what I have read is US based where every attempt to find any benefit to the supplements seems to fail quite consistently.

If your doctor finds an actual deficiency worth treating then that is something at least - but I fear the vast majority of people buying such supplements are doing little but increasing the content value of their urine.

This, supplements do nothing except empty your wallet,no point taking them if you eat a healthy balanced diet. Only take them if told by a doctor.

Bigbagofcans

Especially Post Malone. I'd say a nice cold shower would wake him up.

completedit

When you seeing them? Most people look tired in the morning and after a day in work. Probably just need to moisturize

chrissb8

I think people just need to learn you cannot run on 5-6 hours a night and think you are going to be able to live a productive healthy life. Like everyone else in this thread seems to say, smartphones, streaming services and in general the internet are to blame.

I have friends, colleagues and people I know who cannot say no to "just one more episode" or are "addicted to memes". Just stop folks, put the phone in a cupboard and just find something, anything to take your mind off the day and unwind for bed.

c.p.w.g.w

Irregular sleep seems to be an issue, before when I was single and had little to no social life...

I'd be in bed by 10(sleep by 10.30) and wake at 5.30(normally woke just before my alarm). Would do that 7 days a week, now there were nights were I'd have something on so it would diviate, but vast majority of the time my sleep wake/times were solid...was very rarely tired and typically found myself less drawn to chocolate, biscuits or cake. Also was able to maintain a better body fat percentage...

Squall Leonhart

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Irregular sleep seems to be an issue, before when I was single and had little to no social life...

I'd be in bed by 10(sleep by 10.30) and wake at 5.30(normally woke just before my alarm). Would do that 7 days a week, now there were nights were I'd have something on so it would diviate, but vast majority of the time my sleep wake/times were solid...was very rarely tired and typically found myself less drawn to chocolate, biscuits or cake. Also was able to maintain a better body fat percentage...

Have this experience too.

When single, more control over sleep pattern. Now it's worked around my wife's as well as my own, if she needs to go to the toilet during the night, if she comes to bed later or gets up earlier then me etc etc.

KWAG2019

It’s modern enslavement. The version of employment and capitalism we have is madness. It is killing people.

wakka12

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Due to a disrupted circadian rhythm, you bodies immune system doesn't function to its fullest. Our immune system produces cells that can kill cancer cells, with less than 6 hours of sleep the production of the cells is significantly reduced.

If you work nights, you really need to follow the same patterns at the weekend for your circadian rhythm to full adjust.

Very interesting podcast, its long but it doesn't feel as long its really good...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig

Another one about Sleep Tablets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Is-C5fr_es

The cardiac related issues of lack of sleep are more worrying than the cancer link, I would say

c.p.w.g.w

wakka12 wrote: »

The cardiac related issues of lack of sleep are more worrying than the cancer link, I would say

Cardiac health can be surely screened better than cancer, in most people I'd imagine?

Did you hear the the stat about heart attacks and daylight savings...24% increase when clocks go forward, & 21% when clocks go back

Oasis1974

All this nightshift work will be the death literally of some people down the road. I know full well it's an option that has to be taken just to function in this life. But people flipping over sleep patterns and the percentage who get only a few hours sleep will add up years down the road.

73bc61lyohr0mu

Oasis1974 wrote: »

All this nightshift work will be the death literally of some people down the road. I know full well it's an option that has to be taken just to function in this life. But people flipping over sleep patterns and the percentage who get only a few hours sleep will add up years down the road.

Night work nearly killed me literally. I was driving a van from Limerick to Dublin and back again every night at 1am 5 days a week. Eventually it took its toll on me and I fell asleep on the motorway at 120kmph. I slammed into the crash barrier but I was OK. If there was anything else on the road or the crash barrier wasn't there I was dead. I left the job soon after and took some time out to get my health right. Life is too short for that crap.