theological wrote: » Many other smaller countries have got beneficial trading relationships with large countries. The idea that the UK is going to fail where countries like Canada and Australia have succeeded is silly. There seems to be this bizarre notion that somehow the UK is beholden to the EU for economic success. The reality is more straight forward, both need each other, but the UK will be able to form a relationship both with it and other countries on good terms.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I think you read it too quickly. The bookies are saying they're much more likely to get an overall majority after Farage spoke today. Last night you had to bet 100 to win 80. Today you bet 100 to win 50. So, just right now, the bookies reckon the Tories are quite likely to get their majority.
theological wrote: » Many other smaller countries have got beneficial trading relationships with large countries. The idea that the UK is going to fail where countries like Canada and Australia have succeeded is silly. There seems to be this bizarre notion that somehow the UK is beholden to the EU for economic success.The reality is more straight forward, both need each other, but the UK will be able to form a relationship both with it and other countries on good terms.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Here is one hard brexiteer i think could be toast. I've seen quite a bit of Faiza Sheheen on the main news channels last year, she's bright and very articulate and seems popular in her native constituency of Chingford. The Greens stepping aside could be worth 5-6% for her. I seriously believe IDS is for the shepherds crook here.https://twitter.com/faizashaheen/status/1193657414123479040
20silkcut wrote: » All those powers will be on the table in any future trade talks with trading blocs that are much more powerful than the UK. They will be gone again at the stroke of pen. Britain is not powerful enough to have such sovereignty. 60 million people is less than 450 million or 300 million or 1.3 billion.
theological wrote: » The answer this question is obvious. Any area the EU takes "exclusive competence" or "shared competence" over (using EU treaty language). For example: Powers over trade policy (customs, tariffs, quotas). Powers over fishing policy. Powers over agriculture policy. Powers over immigration. Powers over commercial standards. Powers over financial services. There's more too. To claim that leaving the European Union will not give the UK increased sovereignty in decision making in these areas and more is untruthful. These are significant areas of power that Westminster will be entirely responsible for. MPs will be responsible for these matters and the public can and will hold them to account for it. They will no longer be able to blame Brussels for it. I genuinely think that the increased participation in democracy in the UK during the Brexit referendum and afterwards is a hugely positive force that needs to be maintained.
hotmail.com wrote: » If that was the case, the support for Brexit would have dropped dramatically which it hasn't. Irish people have to accept and move on from this. The Irish government have accepted that Britain is leaving and I think that's correct.
schmittel wrote: » Yes I'd agree it follows that if you think LDs revoking in that scenario is suspect, then clearly Tory's hard Brexiting would also be suspect. Then to my mind it simply follows that if Labour get a majority on somewhere shy of 40% then a second referendum would be suspect too. i.e if you seriously question one party, any party, implementing a policy on the back of a successful election campaign, then you must question all of them. And it that scenario it simply follows that one cannot really accept the outcome of any election, leading to the abandonment of the concept of loser's consent. And what then? Blame the Russians for the deadlock I suppose!
WomanSkirtFan8 wrote: » not suprising really considering how bad a start they've had to start with. If it continues like this, they'll seriously struggle to get a majority never mind win the election. :cool:
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Just a straw in the wind. Last night, the Tories were 4/5 to get a majority. They are now at 1/2.
Tell me how wrote: » There's an anti-EU feeling in Ireland as well. Just that it's held by a very small proportion of the people. you can't argue but that the UK populace likely voted to leave as a protest vote against the EU more so than wanting to lose everything they are in line to lose, as they didn't know about this. If they had known, they'd likely have realised their hatred for the EU wasn't all that strong. It would be like someone hating working and thinking they could leave and still get paid. They (as is the case with many people) realise that they'd rather stay in their job and enjoy the benefits of it.
Tea Shock wrote: » 16 years between our last 2 abortion referendums is a fairly loose definition of a generation later!
hotmail.com wrote: » I didn't suggest another referendum was undemocratic. It's very true that many in Britain didn't understand the detail of the EU but the anti EU feeling in Britain is very evident.
Nody wrote: » Care to outline exactly what these increased powers you feel that will come are?
hotmail.com wrote: » Well yes of course. A generation later.
liamtech wrote: » I assume then that this election in the UK will decide the matter of who leads the country from now on then? Honestly suggesting a 2nd ref is undemocratic is ludicrous. You are ignoring the fact that there was nothing in the ref about the single market or the customs union.. the british electorate voted for 'something' with no consensus of what that 'something' was Also MANY in the Leave alliance argued that they would stay in the Single Market customs union.. including Faragehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY In all honesty there is a separate thread about this too btw
BonnieSituation wrote: » So you're saying it's okay to have another referendum on the matter because people may have changed their mind?
hotmail.com wrote: » The most recent one I would have guessed. The 8th Amendment was repealed in 2018 thankfully on the same basis - overturning a previous referendum a generation later.
Danzy wrote: » Is there any scenario where a hard Brexit will get more than a handful of votes if it is voted on in a meaningful motion, not the negotiating tactics of the last few votes. Hard at this stage to even name a Tory MP who would be guaranteed to back No Deal.
BonnieSituation wrote: » I thought the 1975 referendum decided the matter though? Which is it?
hotmail.com wrote: » The referendum of 2016 decided the matter.
VinLieger wrote: » Will traditional Conservative "no matter what" voters switch to the BP or will they just not show up on the day?
schmittel wrote: » If Tories get a majority we could be looking at a hard brexit on somewhere 40% of the national vote. Would that be democratically suspect as well?
