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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Jimmy Garlic

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

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Thelonious Monk

So she didn't fly back, our hero's journey continues. Go Greta!

Tell me how

Haters gonna hate, Take 2

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1194389911639642115

Professor Moriarty

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Changed it, no real reason just wanted to get rid of my old one, and she's had one hell of an impact!

Didn't know you could do that! Mind now flooding with possibilities...

ThunbergsAreGo

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Out of idle curiosity, are you clairvoyant or were you able to change your username?

Changed it, no real reason just wanted to get rid of my old one, and she's had one hell of an impact!

Professor Moriarty

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

And look how that turned out...

Out of idle curiosity, are you clairvoyant or were you able to change your username?

ThunbergsAreGo

Tell me how wrote: »

Nigel Farage anyone?

And look how that turned out...

Tell me how

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

The amount of coverage and time the green party and certain candidates in particular get, is so far out of line with their actually political power or how many votes they got. How many other failed candidates get a column, time on the TV etc

It's almost as if there's an agenda...........

Nigel Farage anyone?

ForestFire

Can someone confirm that the imaged used by RTE, portraying Ireland in 2050, is accurate and from a scientific report? Because posters here keep telling us that the only thing climate activasts tell us is listen to scientists

They would never try to present false information in an attempt to scare people into new taxes now would they?

I do like they way they have portrayed the young girl as some sort of hero saviour of the family, while the elderly woman sits in shame for all those glass milk bottles she used and recycled when she was young!

Note:- from much earlier in this thread and others, I have no problem with climate change science, what I have a problem with is fear mongering and increasing taxes with no benifit to environment.

KyussB

Woodsie1 wrote: »

A load of waffle to say do it our way it's better.
I notice not one of the posters has challenged the evidence of an actual expert who's posted in this very forum

It's a load of waffle to say the present way of running things is better - because it's leading to mass environmental destruction and pushing climate change.

The Green New Deal and a return to a Progressive form of Capitalism, is pretty much the only game in town - nobody has any better ideas, for rapidly solving the problem within a decade.

easypazz

RobbingBandit wrote: »

RTE full of climate crisis articles today including ones from ex met.ie yet nothing on the Shannon radar being broken or Irish Water whether this crisis is real or just how damaging it will prove to be propaganda machine scare mongering will only damage it's cause in the long run.

I am struggling to see the relevance here?

I take it you are referring to the rainfall radar not working.

RobbingBandit

RTE full of climate crisis articles today including ones from ex met.ie yet nothing on the Shannon radar being broken or Irish Water whether this crisis is real or just how damaging it will prove to be propaganda machine scare mongering will only damage it's cause in the long run.

suicide_circus

she offers no solutions unsurprisingly. i'd actually agree with a lot if what she's saying but pointing out the obvious is not very useful.

ThunbergsAreGo

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/saoirse-mchugh-column-capitalism-4884073-Nov2019/

I wonder what that different one is Saoirse....
and the mask slips again, its becoming plain as day that most of this is about undoing our economy and replacing it with the lefts 'utopian' view than anything.

The amount of coverage and time the green party and certain candidates in particular get, is so far out of line with their actually political power or how many votes they got. How many other failed candidates get a column, time on the TV etc

It's almost as if there's an agenda...........

Wanderer78

Woodsie1 wrote:

A load of waffle to say do it our way it's better. I notice not one of the posters has challenged the evidence of an actual expert who's posted in this very forum

Disagree, I think KyussB is actually spot on, some well respected commentators mention more or less the same thing, in particular the individuals who came up with the concept of the green new deal

Woodsie1

KyussB wrote: »

Capitalism needs to be retaken by progressives, who can make it run properly for everyone, not just for the most well off - the Green New Deal is a fantastic way to do that.

A load of waffle to say do it our way it's better.
I notice not one of the posters has challenged the evidence of an actual expert who's posted in this very forum

KyussB

Ironically for that Journal article with the Green Party supporter - the Green Party supports mostly tepid NeoLiberal-lite climate policies - they aren't an effective party, and their policies don't really have consistency (e.g. carbon budgets are a complete waste of time - they must not have done even rudimentary research on the topic, before making it their policy).

It's mistaken to believe that combatting our contribution to climate change, involves combatting Capitalism - we live in economies which promote increased monopolization and oligopolies/cartels, government subsidies to powerful industries (including fossil fuels, even), and laws/treaties being written in the favour of industry first and democracy second (if even) - that's not Capitalism, that's increasingly shifting towards Oligopoly/Plutocracy as an economic/political system.

The best way to combat climate change, is to restore true Capitalism, which is inherently based on having a strong government - and to combine that with progressive economic policies, to make up for the faults in Capitalism which lead to social/economic ills - and to recognize the role government has in undertaking large-scale tasks that private industry is incapable of, like mounting an earnest effort at combatting climate emissions, with a goal of zero emissions within a decade.

That's ultimately what the Green New Deal is, a restoration of Capitalism to it's Post-WWII best. Most people today who are most vociferous in their support of NeoLiberal/Libertarian style Capitalism, just support Oligopoly/Plutocracy - Capitalism needs to be retaken by progressives, who can make it run properly for everyone, not just for the most well off - the Green New Deal is a fantastic way to do that.

Tell me how

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The issue is that the people out marching, the extinction rebellions , the gretas are all taking the science and only peddling solutions and viewpoints which demonise industry and private property. To have the issue talked about in a sensible manor i think we need to work at de coupling the political agenda from it.

So, (leaving aside my belief that ultimately politics is required in terms of enforcing action), how do we solve the issue without demonising industry or private property?

What would you advise is done?

Bear in mind, Greta has demonised neither but has said that what is required is solutions which are not yet developed.

windy shepard henderson

Tell me how wrote: »

That was a dream I'm pretty sure snoopsheep, no evidence to support it in real life.

This post is Probably the closest I will get to agreeing with you on this thread :pac:

Eric Cartman

Tell me how wrote: »

This would all be cool, if there wasn't a climate issue as evidenced by scientists from every country in the world.

It shouldn't have to be explained but the reason that politics and climate has become so intertwined is because society looks to the politicians to enact laws for the betterment of this and future societies.

It took legislation to come in to place to bring about a ban on plastic carrier bags, it took legislation to bring about a ban on smoking in the workplace.

I know you are a fan of the capitalist ideals as purported by Donald Trump but many many people would recognize there is nothing in that behaviour which suggests sustainability is going to happen.

The issue is that the people out marching, the extinction rebellions , the gretas are all taking the science and only peddling solutions and viewpoints which demonise industry and private property. To have the issue talked about in a sensible manor i think we need to work at de coupling the political agenda from it.

Tell me how

Deleted User wrote: »

thread has been somewhat derailed into the economics of the necessary changes that climate predictions demand

idk is that worth pointing out, im ok with it but lets not forget that greta thunberg is a raving plant serving as a front for god-knows-what shadowy ends

just reminding everyone

That was a dream I'm pretty sure snoopsheep, no evidence to support it in real life.

[Deleted User]

thread has been somewhat derailed into the economics of the necessary changes that climate predictions demand

idk is that worth pointing out, im ok with it but lets not forget that greta thunberg is a raving plant serving as a front for god-knows-what shadowy ends

just reminding everyone

[Deleted User]

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm an engineer who has worked in the ESB previously and has a continuous sense of the temporal nature of the companies within the industry.

Am I allowed to contribute to the discussion now?

im not the one telling ppl whether or not they can post in the thread

green position y/n btw?

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Deleted User wrote: »

you work in a green position yourself of course

I'm an engineer who has worked in the ESB previously and has a continuous sense of the temporal nature of the companies within the industry.

Am I allowed to contribute to the discussion now?

Tell me how

lola85 wrote: »

5 boiler maintenance people for over 2 million boilers in Ireland?

You are the typical climate pusher.

The real world is alien to you. Actually wouldn’t last 1 day.

For the love of god, can you not handle a few posts to understand what is being discussed> You yourself suggested specific staff.

5 boiler maintenance people who;

Are self employed
Are in their late 50's
Cannot support themselves outside of earnings from their job
Cannot get a new job using their current skills
Do not have the capacity to change career
Will not work at alternative unskilled roles

lola85

Tell me how wrote: »

They lose their income if they cannot adapt. They then survive on their savings, partners income or social welfare payments or income protection insurance.

Do you think we should not consider taking measures to protect the environment for future generations because of the likely less than 5 boiler maintenance staff in their mid 50's who cannot adapt or have no alternative options in terms of surviving?

5 boiler maintenance people for over 2 million boilers in Ireland?

You are the typical climate pusher.

The real world is alien to you. Actually wouldn’t last 1 day.

[Deleted User]

you work in a green position yourself of course

Tell me how

lola85 wrote: »

What if they are self employed?

They lose their income if they cannot adapt. They then survive on their savings, partners income or social welfare payments or income protection insurance.

Do you think we should not consider taking measures to protect the environment for future generations because of the likely less than 5 boiler maintenance staff in their mid 50's who cannot adapt or have no alternative options in terms of surviving?

lola85

Tell me how wrote: »

Yes.

Oh I’m convinced now thanks.

lola85

Tell me how wrote: »

If they are 57, have spent a career working in these companies, I'm sure the redundancy compensation will be significant. Also, I bet that some will be happy to work short weeks doing any myriad of jobs.

Finally, and repeatedly, how is this different to any other business which is shut down?

What if they are self employed?

Tell me how

lola85 wrote: »

But there actually is no climate issue.

Like seriously I look out the window and it’s wet and cold like it always has been in November.

Am I missing something?

Yes.