Tell me how wrote: » How much time, there has been talk of shutting down power stations for close to 20 years. Also, who works their? Machine operators? Fitters? Electricians, Administration staff? Are these skills not transferable for virtually all these people?
Saoirse McHugh: We need to talk about capitalism There will be no climate justice until we move to a different economic system, writes Saoirse McHugh.
jackboy wrote: » I think about five years would be sensible. Talk of shutting down is meaningless. In this case an exact date could be given. I don’t know how many of their skills are transferable into the local economy. There would need to be a lot of vacancies to take all of these workers on.
windy shepard henderson wrote: » The answer to your question is there would be very little of these jobs available in the Midlands area where these places are closing, the whole surrounding area suffers as a result not just the few workers
Tell me how wrote: » I think you are both looking for workers of these industries to receive preferable treatment which I do not think any other industry gets. I'm not saying tough luck to these workers, but there is to be a reality check of what goes on across the board. What ye seem to be suggesting seems very much like semi-state body soft landing which virtually no company in the private sector can match.
Eric Cartman wrote: » https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/saoirse-mchugh-column-capitalism-4884073-Nov2019/ I wonder what that different one is Saoirse.... and the mask slips again, its becoming plain as day that most of this is about undoing our economy and replacing it with the lefts 'utopian' view than anything.
bluewolf wrote: » I don't understand the obsession with capitalism when it comes to the climate change issue. any system will still be run by people who may or may not twiddle their thumbs
Tell me how wrote: » In a similar vein to the approach taken by the revenue commissioners in terms of tax non-payment, ignorance is not an excuse. Bord Na Mona and the ESB probably have less than 10k workers between them. Should action on the environment, potentially affecting millions be postponed so as to to prevent them having to find alternative solutions. Bear in mind, as already been said, this has been on the cards for a long time, Bord na Mona are seeking to redeploy people where possible.
lola85 wrote: » What about people who work in the area of gas and oil boilers let’s say? There is a huge industry in this area. Self employed people. How will they put food in the table?
Eric Cartman wrote: » most of them are plumbers and theyve all pretty much taken the free / cheap 'trade installer courses' offered by the heat pump people at this point. The pipes are still there, just the source is different.
Tell me how wrote: » Seriously? They will continue to maintain the equipment which is installed and will be continued to be used for several years. They will re-train to provide installation and or maintenance of alternative energy technologies already in use. They might start new careers altogether. They will do the same as the workers of Molex, Roche and Novartis and look at what their options are, pick one, and pursue it.
Eric Cartman wrote: » Its their latest vehicle, green new deal, 'climate justice' etc... its all realistically boiling down to a section of the left co-opting the climate change issue, rolling socialism in as the only 'viable' solution and adding in this emergency/panic to try and railroad it through. Its their latest great hope in getting what they want by having a backing of 'science' 'I don't want to pay higher taxes , maybe companies shouldnt be nationalised' 'you're denying science and climate change' it belittles the actual science behind it and made green proposals a political weapon, the amount of people regarded as 'climate deniers' was a hell of a lot smaller before these ilk got involved.
lola85 wrote: » They might start new careers? Sounds simple. In what?
Tell me how wrote: » This would all be cool, if there wasn't a climate issue as evidenced by scientists from every country in the world. It shouldn't have to be explained but the reason that politics and climate has become so intertwined is because society looks to the politicians to enact laws for the betterment of this and future societies. It took legislation to come in to place to bring about a ban on plastic carrier bags, it took legislation to bring about a ban on smoking in the workplace. I know you are a fan of the capitalist ideals as purported by Donald Trump but many many people would recognize there is nothing in that behaviour which suggests sustainability is going to happen.
Tell me how wrote: » This is getting ridiculous. What specific person are you talking about? Are you suggesting that those listed earlier, can only work in the energy generation sector? Machine operators? Fitters? Electricians, Administration staff? Have you never heard of someone changing their career path midstream? Many do so to pursue more job satisfaction (assuming the new career will allow them to support themselves). These workers are not the first to have to consider these topics. And they have had more warning than most that this day was coming.
lola85 wrote: » I see no climate issue. I’ve had my heating on all day today because it’s Baltic outside like it is in November going back 1000s of years. Then summer will come and it will be warm, shock horror. Same again after that. Away with your nonsense.
Tell me how wrote: » Thank you for finally being so succinct in your position. You're correct of course. There is no climate issue. You can leave the thread now.
lola85 wrote: » I’m talking about service people working on oil and gas boilers all their lives who are now let’s say in the 50s. All of a sudden boilers are banned. You think at 57 they can just pursue another career?
lola85 wrote: » But there actually is no climate issue. Like seriously I look out the window and it’s wet and cold like it always has been in November.Am I missing something?
Tell me how wrote: » If they are 57, have spent a career working in these companies, I'm sure the redundancy compensation will be significant. Also, I bet that some will be happy to work short weeks doing any myriad of jobs. Finally, and repeatedly, how is this different to any other business which is shut down?
Tell me how wrote: » Yes.
lola85 wrote: » What if they are self employed?
Tell me how wrote: » They lose their income if they cannot adapt. They then survive on their savings, partners income or social welfare payments or income protection insurance. Do you think we should not consider taking measures to protect the environment for future generations because of the likely less than 5 boiler maintenance staff in their mid 50's who cannot adapt or have no alternative options in terms of surviving?
lola85 wrote: » 5 boiler maintenance people for over 2 million boilers in Ireland? You are the typical climate pusher. The real world is alien to you. Actually wouldn’t last 1 day.
Deleted User wrote: » you work in a green position yourself of course
Tell me how wrote: » I'm an engineer who has worked in the ESB previously and has a continuous sense of the temporal nature of the companies within the industry. Am I allowed to contribute to the discussion now?
Deleted User wrote: » thread has been somewhat derailed into the economics of the necessary changes that climate predictions demand idk is that worth pointing out, im ok with it but lets not forget that greta thunberg is a raving plant serving as a front for god-knows-what shadowy ends just reminding everyone
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