Aegir wrote: » easy to be flippant about 7000 jobs when one of them isn't yours
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » Any evidence of those 7000 jobs? Take this quizhttps://twitter.com/LesleyRiddoch/status/1191082274105831430
7.2 Key economic points In 2017 Shipbuilding generated £572 million in GVA: accounting for 0.43% of the overall Scottish economy and 11% of the marine economy GVA. Shipbuilding provided employment for 7,700 people (headcount), contributing 0.3% of the total Scottish employment and 11% of the marine economy employment.
Aegir wrote: » https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-marine-economic-statistics-2017/pages/7/
derrymcorry wrote: » At the SNP conference in Aberdeen today Nicola Sturgeon said that they were preparing for a second independence referendum at the end of next year. She also said that Westminster couldn't stop it and Scotland was being taken out of the EU despite the electorate voting to remain. She said that Scotland is an economically viable independent nation. What do you think about Scottish independence? Do you believe that it would be in the best interests of the Scottish people to become an indpendent country within the EU? I, as an Irish republican, would be delighted to see an indpendent Scotland as I believe they could be our best friend within the EU now with England gone. Also, think about the benefits that Scottish independence could have for Irish reunification.
bob mcbob wrote: » A couple of points to this - 1 Not all the ships built in Scotland are military 2 SNP want to stay members of Nato (just remove trident) so Scotland will require a Navy (I assume that as the Tories insist that Scotland picks up a representative share of the national debt, it can also pick up the same share of the UKs assets ) 3 The Royal Navy will not actually need that many ships as they will no longer be responsible for guarding the strategically important Iceland gap.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIUK_gap#Importance_to_the_Royal_Navy 4 Shipbuilding technology can also be used by other emerging technologies such as floating wind farms
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » Maybe rUK will hold on to the sub bases as part of the the withdraw agreement. A bit like the old treaty ports from our own independence. But that withdrawal agreement when ever it will be will be one tough negotiation.
Sam Russell wrote: » They will need fishery protection vessels, whether they are in the EU or Nato or not, but especially if they are not.
Aegir wrote: » so Scotland picks up 8% of the national debt and 8% of the Military? 1/4 of an aircraft carrier maybe and one and a bit type 45 destroyers? Of course it will have a navy, but it is unlikely to be anything like as big as the rUK navy and regardless, the UK is not going to get military ships built in a foreign country. The Royal Navy does a lot more than protects the Greenland/Iceland gap. I would hazard a guess and say 80% of the fleet is south of Carlisle at the moment, if not south of Gibraltar. They already have them, Fisheries is devolved function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Fisheries_Protection_Agency
bob mcbob wrote: » Once again - Uk not getting ships built abroad -https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/support-ships-likely-to-be-built-overseas/
Aegir wrote: » The Royal Navy does a lot more than protects the Greenland/Iceland gap.
Marlow wrote: » How on earth did you get the notion that they do that at all? Greenland is danish territory. The Royal Navy would get kicked out, if they came up there. The danish navy actually even keeps portoguise and spanish trawlers at bay to protect Greenlands fishing grounds for the locals. /M
Water John wrote: » Then with the Scots likely to elect SNP MPs in about 75% of the seats in Scotland, Independence should be a done deal, no referendum needed.
Sam Russell wrote: » Is it possible that those that vote other than SNP would be in favour of Scottish Indy Ref? I would think that many say Labour supporters might also support an IndyRef2 but vote Labour because they always do. So an SNP vote is the min support for IndyRef2.
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » When the UK refuse an independence referedum, what do you suggest?
Marlow wrote: » Rebuild the wall. Job done. /M
A Dub in Glasgo wrote: » Yes, the wall that is wholly in England :pac:
Bobtheman wrote: » Does anyone really give a flying fxxx about NATO or defence in Scotland. During the last referendum I thought the scots should stay but after the stupidity of the average uk voter was exposed - they should get as far away from these lunatics as possible. I do think referendums are a bad idea. Hitler used them to great advantage and post war the Germans banned them. Let complex political decisions rest in the hands of professional politicians. As Winston Churchill said the biggest argument against democracy is to spend five minutes with the average voter. It's worth recalling that decriminalisation of homosexuaity was oppssed by by most voters in the 1960s UK. In Ireland most voters oppossed legalising condoms in the 1980s. Yet professional politicians did it anyway
Dublanedri wrote: » Berwick-upon-Tweed should be returned to Scotland post-independence.
Water John wrote: » Not over familiar with the boundary, but would that be The Borders?
Aegir wrote: » do the people of Berwick not get a say in this?
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