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Burning the Poppy - A thread.

Unknown Soldier

Came across this on Twitter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7664271/Outrage-video-young-woman-burning-poppy-emerges-ahead-Remembrance-Sunday.html

I've found it fascinating, for a number of reasons.

I think she shouldn't have.

You?

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[Deleted User]

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

What have nappies got to do with anything?

Fixed, thanks.

_Brian

I dislike the whole poppy thing because it’s used by scummy people to celebrate the brutality of British forces over ordinary folk in places like NI.

However, I see it’s important to some people and wouldn’t condone burning it either.

Shefwedfan

_Brian wrote: »

I dislike the whole poppy thing because it’s used by scummy people to celebrate the brutality of British forces over ordinary folk in places like NI.

However, I see it’s important to some people and wouldn’t condone burning it either.

No need to burn but no need to shove down everyone throats

10000maniacs

Edgware wrote: »

The bottom line is that without the sacrifice of thousands of young British, American and Russian soldiers we would be living under Nazi rule.

Even if they won WW2, the Nazis wouldn't have been able to sustain it more than a few years. The German nation can only stretch so far. Worldwide Guerrilla warfare would have put a stop to the Nazis.

gimli2112

Damien360 wrote: »

Wearing the poppy in the UK is approaching cult status. Woe betide anyone that fails to follow the cult and show their allegiance.

I thought it was changed to James McClean day

El_Duderino 09

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But it wasn't Kelvin I was referring, it was the guy who drove up, with the racing helmet on, in full racing gear, to give him the trophy that was wearing it.

I'd expect Kelvin, the contestant, to have one visible all the, he is lots of air time.
But the other guy was just on for 5 seconds.

Oh yeah the teammate. Like I said, poppy is part of every costume this weekend. It's not surprising. Makes sense to just make sure nobody can forget their poppy. As long as nobody is forced to wear it, what's the issue?

[Deleted User]

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Oh yeah the teammate. Like I said, poppy is part of every costume this weekend. It's not surprising. Makes sense to just make sure nobody can forget their poppy. As long as nobody is forced to wear it, what's the issue?

I suppose.
The wardrobe people will know how many individual consumes they need, whether that be a tuxedo or racing gear, and they then make sure they have a poppy for each one, whether that poppy ends up being worn or not.

Edgware

10000maniacs wrote: »

Even if they won WW2, the Nazis wouldn't have been able to sustain it more than a few years. The German nation can only stretch so far. Worldwide Guerrilla warfare would have put a stop to the Nazis.

Thats ok so. But then our own brave I.R.A. lads under Sean Russell were prepared to collaborate with the Nazis so we would be safe.

storker

NIMAN wrote: »

DM stuck for stories to be outraged about?

Don't be silly...the Daily Mail is never stuck for something to be outraged about.

Alf Veedersane

This sums up the madness of quite a few:

Galwayguy35

Only thing that bothers me is when I see Irish politicans like Neil Richmond wearing it, it's a British tradition so let him fook off over there and put it on if he wants to.

As for the subject of the thread she sound like a posh little rich kid who was looking for her few minutes of fame, sounds like it backfired on her though.

JohnnyFlash

Peak poppy.

https://twitter.com/ofalafel/status/1193156433988206593?s=21

Alf Veedersane

David Squires predicted something similar in 2015. I don't know if anyone imagined something that level would come to pass...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2015/nov/10/david-squires-on-football-and-remembrance-day#img-1

Cazale

Edgware wrote:

The bottom line is that without the sacrifice of thousands of young British, American and Russian soldiers we would be living under Nazi rule.

Without the sacrifice of thousands of young British soldiers we would be living in a 32 county Republic speaking our own language with a much larger population not decimated by the great hunger.

The White Wolf

Edgware wrote: »

The bottom line is that without the sacrifice of thousands of young British, American and Russian soldiers we would be living under Nazi rule.

And Irish.

The J Stands for Jay

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

Came across this on Twitter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7664271/Outrage-video-young-woman-burning-poppy-emerges-ahead-Remembrance-Sunday.html

I've found it fascinating, for a number of reasons.

I think she shouldn't have.

You?

#sexchat

That link gave me cancer.

Shefwedfan

Edgware wrote: »

The bottom line is that without the sacrifice of thousands of young British, American and Russian soldiers we would be living under Nazi rule.

Irish, NZ, Australian, Chinese, Polish, Canadian etc etc

Really this statement shows you haven’t a clue about the World War.....

[Deleted User]

To me the poppy represents those who died for our freedom, no matter what army or what war. That freedom allowed this uainseach do what she did. I hope that she’s proud of what she’ll be remembered for.

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To me the poppy represents those who died for our freedom, no matter what army or what war. That freedom allowed this uainseach do what she did. I hope that she’s proud of what she’ll be remembered for.

It also stand for the British Empire which decided who and when they wanted to invade countries and kill people.....for no reason apart from greed

Most recent been Iraq when they made up stories with the US to get the war approved which has since been proved as illegal, this was nothing to do with freedom, it was to get their hands on oil

[Deleted User]

Edgware wrote: »

Thats ok so. But then our own brave I.R.A. lads under Sean Russell were prepared to collaborate with the Nazis so we would be safe.

Give over with this spectacularly historically illiterate comedy session. Your heroic British state was collaborating with Nazi Germany for a full 6 years before it decided, in September 1939, to finally grow a pair of balls and stand up to it. Of course, to the British in the 1930s the greater evil was communism so supporting Nazi Germany was good because it was a bulwark against the spread of communism. You don't hear them justifying it like that now, however.

This collaboration, by the way, survived the establishment of the first Nazi concentration camps (in March 1933) - inspired by the British concentrations camps during the Second Boer War (1899-1902) - and the Nuremberg Laws against Jews. In the same year as the latter, 1935, the British decided to stab the French in the back and smash the Stresa Front against Nazi Germany by signing the Anglo-German Naval Agreement so that Britain could profit from Nazi rearmament. Then the British selling out the Austrians, Czechs and all the rest. Not to mention its refusal at the Evian Conference (1938) to take more Jewish refugees...

And you think you can deflect from this staggering British state collaboration with Nazi Germany by pointing at the ineffably insignificant actions of Russell? The Union Jack blinkers are heavy there.

[Deleted User]

Edgware wrote: »

The bottom line is that without the sacrifice of thousands of young British, American and Russian soldiers we would be living under Nazi rule.

So, if it's just out of respect for their resistance to Nazism why don't you wear a Russian symbol of commemoration given that the British contribution to defeating Nazism was small - total British Empire deaths were about one-fiftieth, c. 450,000, of the USSR deaths of 25 million people, for instance - compared to the USSR contribution? Hmmm.

Indeed, as some 800,000 Greeks died in WWII you could also wear whatever they wear with more justification than you could use the British poppy (a British imperialist symbol which, lest we forget, explicitly commemorates everybody who fought for the British Empire, including in the centuries-long subjugation of the Irish people).

s7ryf3925pivug

Her trolling worked a little too well.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

To me the poppy represents those who died for our freedom, no matter what army or what war. That freedom allowed this uainseach do what she did. I hope that she’s proud of what she’ll be remembered for.

Such ignorant rubbish. The poppy is a unique British symbol designed to commemorate only those who died for the British Empire in all wars by that Empire, including the subjugation of the Irish for centuries. No other state outside of their Empire/Commonwealth wear it. Why can't you even get the basic facts correct?

[Deleted User]

Cazale wrote: »

Without the sacrifice of thousands of young British soldiers we would be living in a 32 county Republic speaking our own language with a much larger population not decimated by the great hunger.

Touché. Game, set and match with that truth.

Dyr

Edgware wrote: »

The bottom line is that without the sacrifice of thousands of young British, American and Russian soldiers we would be living under Nazi rule.

Agus bheimís go leir ag labhairt Gearmáinis mar dhea? :rolleyes:

JohnnyFlash

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Give over with this spectacularly historically illiterate comedy session. Your heroic British state was collaborating with Nazi Germany for a full 6 years before it decided, in September 1939, to finally grow a pair of balls and stand up to it. Of course, to the British in the 1930s the greater evil was communism so supporting Nazi Germany was good because it was a bulwark against the spread of communism. You don't hear them justifying it like that now, however.

This collaboration, by the way, survived the establishment of the first Nazi concentration camps (in March 1933) - inspired by the British concentrations camps during the Second Boer War (1899-1902) - and the Nuremberg Laws against Jews. In the same year as the latter, 1935, the British decided to stab the French in the back and smash the Stresa Front against Nazi Germany by signing the Anglo-German Naval Agreement so that Britain could profit from Nazi rearmament. Then the British selling out the Austrians, Czechs and all the rest. Not to mention its refusal at the Evian Conference (1938) to take more Jewish refugees...

And you think you can deflect from this staggering British state collaboration with Nazi Germany by pointing at the ineffably insignificant actions of Russell? The Union Jack blinkers are heavy there.

Jesus, calm down, dude. It’s only a thread on a silly website. You’ll give yourself a hernia or irritable bowel syndrome or something.

I hope history isn’t a hobby of yours. You are so ideologically blinkered and bigoted that any attempts at analysis or nuance would be a complete folly.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Such ignorant rubbish. The poppy is a unique British symbol designed to commemorate only those who died for the British Empire in all wars by that Empire, including the subjugation of the Irish for centuries. No other state outside of their Empire/Commonwealth wear it. Why can't you even get the basic facts correct?

But, it originated in France!

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

But, it originated in France!

Here we go again with the ignorance. The French remembrance symbol:

Bleuet_de_France

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Dyr

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Jesus, calm down, dude. It’s only a thread on a silly website. You’ll give yourself a hernia or irritable bowel syndrome or something.

I hope history isn’t a hobby of yours. You are so ideologically blinkered and bigoted that any attempts at analysis or nuance would be a complete folly.

lack of nuance aka "You're facts are too facty"

Say my name

In 2159 will people still be wearing the poppy?

I get the remembrance thing and even learning a new generation that we should never let history repeat itself.

But there comes a time when it's healthier for people just to move on. There's no disrespect intended but even the survivors of war kept as much as possible away from their family so that they could grow up without knowing and not be tainted by the true horrors of war and man's inhumanity to man.