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International Men's Day 19th November

El_Duderino 09

"On November 19 International Men’s Day celebrates worldwide the positive value men bring to the world, their families and communities. We highlight positive role models and raise awareness of men’s well-being."
https://internationalmensday.com/

"International Men’s Day in the UK provides a fantastic opportunity for you to:

Highlight some serious issues affecting men and boys and their wellbeing
Make a difference to men and boys’ lives
Celebrate Britain’s men and boys in all their diversity
Have some serious fun"

"In the UK, the theme and focus remains on how we can make a difference to men and boys, and, how we can give men and boys better life chances by addressing some of the issues that affect Men and Boys such as:

The high male suicide rate
The challenges faced by boys and men at all stages of education including attainment
Men’s health (including male cancers), shorter life expectancy and workplace deaths
The challenges faced by the most marginalised men and boys in society (for instance, homeless men, boys in care and the high rate of male deaths in custody)
Male victims of violence, including sexual violence
The challenges faced by men as parents, particularly new fathers and separated fathers
Male victims and survivors of sexual abuse, rape, sexual exploitation, domestic abuse, forced marriage, honour-based crime, stalking and slavery
The negative portrayal of men, boys and fathers"

https://ukmensday.org.uk/

How do you plan to mark IMD this year? Anyone can get involved by taking part in events or mentioning it to friends and helping shape attitudes towards the serious issues which men face.

Feel free to express your appreciation for the good men who have made a difference in your life and the lives of others.

My role models have included my Dad. He was loving and caring and had the ability to be hard nosed in business and still nurture young talent. He was never afraid of change and embraced modernity and always had time for a good chat.

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Church on Tuesday

Deleted User wrote: »

Look, I have explained this in detail already over the last few posts.

Just because I dislike the bastardisation of serious men's issues for social gain, doesn't mean I don't care about the issues.

Why are you letting that ****e cloud your judgment of what is essentially a good cause on the day for men's health and general well being?

Feisar

I'm of the feck's sake harden up ilk, this despite the fact I have suffered with depression. Initiatives like this will help change attitudes like mine in time. For example while I have no issue at all with homosexuality I would have in the past used the expression "that's gay" when referring to something negative. I no longer do this due to a better awareness and how frivolous negative comments are unhelpful. So hopefully in time I will see men's day in a positive light whereas at the moment it's in the same category as those straight pride clowns.

[Deleted User]

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Why are you letting that ****e cloud your judgment of what is essentially a good cause on the day for men's health and general well being?

Realistically it is because for better or worse, social media is where a lot of people get their news from and worthwhile information and awareness gets lost in the mire of "virtue signalling" (apologies for using that term) posts.

It might seem trivial to some but it does irk me a great deal.

As I've said, it can be a great cause and I think the idea behind the day is good, it just isn't for me.

One eyed Jack

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Apologies. It winds me up when people oppose obviously good initiatives like IMD.

God love ya for getting wound up because other people don’t give two fcuks for your day of self-congratulation.

It’s also my birthday, nobody gives a fcuk about that either and you don’t see me getting wound up about it. Because like my birthday, I don’t need to advertise myself as a decent human being on social media either, and anyone who knows me will tell you I’m an asshole.

I don’t do what I do for other people for public recognition of how great I am. I’m like most people in that regard who couldn’t give a shìte for “raising awareness day” whatever is your particular day whether it’s your birthday, international women’s day or international men’s day, world mental health day, world aids day, world I was born day, whatever. It takes a condescending fcuk to imagine people need to be conscious as they are of “issues” that need to be “highlighted”, as though people aren’t dealing with their own **** that matters to them already in the very same way as your **** is just as important to you.

I still stand by the first post I made in the thread, before I ever needed your confirmation by demonstration.

El_Duderino 09

One eyed Jack wrote: »

God love ya for getting wound up because other people don’t give two fcuks for your day of self-congratulation.
.

I’ll stop you there. I didn’t say anything about someone not giving a fcuk. I said I get wound up about someone talking dawn a good initiative.

In any case it’s not relevant to the topic.

Chris_Heilong

You know at first I was thinking what a stupid idea this was but when I think of how the media/hollywood has turned against men and masculinity so much in current year I am now all for this, anything that gives us some points.

[Deleted User]

Mallet Heads wrote: »

I can't support Men's Day because it's all about weakness and negativity. I'm not saying raising awareness about suicide and depression aren't good things but there's more to men than that!

Women's day seems to be all about strength and positivity. I want a day that honours great men, warriors, athletes, leaders, scientists etc Let's honour the men who build the roads and mine the coal.

The world is built and run by men. That's what we should be honouring.

That is a very valid point that, to be honest, I hadn't thought of.

The last sentence might get you into trouble though

Roversfan1

Mallet Heads wrote: »

I can't support Men's Day because it's all about weakness and negativity. I'm not saying raising awareness about suicide and depression aren't good things but there's more to men than that!

Women's day seems to be all about strength and positivity. I want a day that honours great men, warriors, athletes, leaders, scientists etc Let's honour the men who build the roads and mine the coal.

The world is built and run by men. That's what we should be honouring.

I agree....why not honour the 99% of inventions ever made which were made by men and the breakthroughs that have saved millions of lives.

El_Duderino 09

Mallet Heads wrote: »

I can't support Men's Day because it's all about weakness and negativity. I'm not saying raising awareness about suicide and depression aren't good things but there's more to men than that!

Women's day seems to be all about strength and positivity. I want a day that honours great men, warriors, athletes, leaders, scientists etc Let's honour the men who build the roads and mine the coal.

The world is built and run by men. That's what we should be honouring.

You can use it to raise awareness of whatever you want.

People who want to raise awareness of mental health, can do so. Those who want to acknowledge the everyday heroes in their lives, can do so. Those who want to acknowledge the work of great men, warriors, athletes, leaders, scientists and road builders etc, can do so. It’s up to you to do use it how you want and then capitalise on it throughout the year.

Raconteuse

Roversfan1 wrote: »

I agree....why not honour the 99% of inventions ever made which were made by men and the breakthroughs that have saved millions of lives.

Inventions have definitely been mostly thanks to men, but 99%? Interesting figure. Where d'ya get that?

Bobblehats

Raconteuse wrote: »

Inventions have definitely been mostly thanks to men, but 99%? Interesting figure. Where d'ya get that?

I think he means 99.9%. You know, figuratively speaking

Roversfan1

Raconteuse wrote: »

Inventions have definitely been mostly thanks to men, but 99%? Interesting figure. Where d'ya get that?

I made a list of 300 important discoveries and inventions and only 3 were women Stephanie Kwolek, Ann Tsukamoto and Marie Curie.

Subjective I know.....If I am wrong with my 99%, can you give me your figure

Muir

International Men's Day is spoken about more on International Women's day than it is any other day of the year - because so many ask when International Men's Day is. Yet, when someone tries to raise awareness of it, it gets more negative responses than positive.

I understand people get annoyed and frustrated by people using these days to look like they care without actually doing anything. I get fed up of hearing people pay lip service to mental health, and telling people to talk and seek help when the services aren't available. However I think talking about it might be something men need.

Earlier this year I worked on an ad campaign to promote a mental health service to men over 40. I also recently had a stand at a mental health event - some of the people were there because they were brought by their employers.

What I noticed is that the women were far more comfortable coming up to talk about their experiences, whereas the men were more likely to ask a question regarding helping a family member. I was talking to my dad about it afterwards and he said what I thought - if men are there with work colleagues many of them would feel too embarrassed to be seen to need help for their own mental wellbeing.

So, maybe talking about IMD is doing something. Maybe talking about it and the issues that impact men might make the men in your life feel a little bit less embarrassed, or a little more able to reach out. If someone dismisses the idea of IMD - it might come across that they are dismissive of issues affecting men in general. I don't believe that to be the case - but it just might be worth having that thought in the back of your mind if a man tries to talk about IMD to you this year. Your reaction really might make a difference to that person.

[Deleted User]

Muir wrote: »

International Men's Day is spoken about more on International Women's day than it is any other day of the year - because so many ask when International Men's Day is. Yet, when someone tries to raise awareness of it, it gets more negative responses than positive.

I understand people get annoyed and frustrated by people using these days to look like they care without actually doing anything. I get fed up of hearing people pay lip service to mental health, and telling people to talk and seek help when the services aren't available. However I think talking about it might be something men need.

Earlier this year I worked on an ad campaign to promote a mental health service to men over 40. I also recently had a stand at a mental health event - some of the people were there because they were brought by their employers.

What I noticed is that the women were far more comfortable coming up to talk about their experiences, whereas the men were more likely to ask a question regarding helping a family member. I was talking to my dad about it afterwards and he said what I thought - if men are there with work colleagues many of them would feel too embarrassed to be seen to need help for their own mental wellbeing.

So, maybe talking about IMD is doing something. Maybe talking about it and the issues that impact men might make the men in your life feel a little bit less embarrassed, or a little more able to reach out. If someone dismisses the idea of IMD - it might come across that they are dismissive of issues affecting men in general. I don't believe that to be the case - but it just might be worth having that thought in the back of your mind if a man tries to talk about IMD to you this year. Your reaction really might make a difference to that person.

I agree with a lot of what you say there.

It is incredibly frustrating to see people on facebook, twitter, Instagram pretend to give a **** about mental health, stick up an inspirational quote or tell people to talk when you know they are absolutely toxic in real life.

You don't even need to go that far to see such stuff. Posts in topics like this to make the user come across as thoughtful and then posts on a different thread discussing similar which are borderline bullying / needlessly insulting.

But as you say, your reaction to someone reaching out for help is very important but that should go for everyday, not just one arbitrary day where it is cool to be nice to men. Having said that if IMD does help one person be a little more caring, then that can mean the world to someone else. Lets just hope the pricks who use the day to boost their own standing don't ruin it for many more.

Lewis_Benson

buckwheat wrote: »

What a load of steaming horse ****

Imo:)

Agreed.
A load of bollocks .
We dont need menstrual days and womens days...we have enough in Christmas and birthdays, let alone all the other shyte, valentines etc.

JupiterKid

I think International Mens Day is a great idea.

Look people...it's not about gender wars or points scoring or being "woke" (whatever the hell that means) - it's about having a day where men's and boy's issues are highlighted and discussed. And men's mental health, suicide and health issues in general really need to be talked about.

I bet many of those posters dissing Intl Mens Day are the very same ones cribbing about how feminism has emasculated manhood and that men get a raw deal in life these days.

Sometimes us men are our own worst enemies...

One eyed Jack

JupiterKid wrote: »

I think International Mens Day is a great idea.

Look people... it's not about gender wars or points scoring or being "woke" (whatever the hell that means) - it's about having a day where men's and boy's issues are highlighted and discussed. And men's mental health, suicide and health issues in general really need to be talked about.

You say all that JK, and I know you know well what woke means, no need to be disingenuous, you’re around Boards long enough to be aware that it’s been explained numerous times - it’s exactly what you’re doing above, and what you followed it up with is exactly why people are critical of the nonsense of these ideas like international men’s day and international women’s day and all the other days that are purported to be for their benefit.

JupiterKid wrote: »

I bet many of those posters dissing Intl Mens Day are the very same ones cribbing about how feminism has emasculated manhood and that men get a raw deal in life these days.

Sometimes us men are our own worst enemies...

Yeah, not about gender wars or point scoring you say? And then you come out with that crap about anyone who is critical of what you think is a great idea. It’s only a great idea because you get a bit of attention from your peers who think these days are a great idea too where you all get to pat yourselves on the back for how woke you are and how anyone who disagrees with you are only cribbing about feminism and men are their own worst enemies.

You really think anyone wants to listen to you tell them they’re their own worst enemy? Blindboy tried peddling that same craic on the Late Late and while the plastic bag on his bonce wasn’t transparent, his motivations for saying young men need feminism certainly were - it’s the kind of rhetoric that plays well with the social justice crowd. He needs that recognition because the young men he makes a living taking the the piss out of are sick of his shìt. Like everyone else he knows he has to pay the bills somehow, and for him punching down is how he does it for his new found champagne socialist audience, not unlike what you’re doing.

I don’t pretend to speak for anyone else and that’s how I see these “international days” - they’re not for the benefit of the people they claim to be benefiting at all, they’re for the benefit of people who want to appear as though they care about other people.

Ironicname

JupiterKid wrote:

I bet many of those posters dissing Intl Mens Day are the very same ones cribbing about how feminism has emasculated manhood and that men get a raw deal in life these days.

Yes. Yes they are. Because they are highlighting the negative impact feminism in its current form. They do that on a daily basis. They aren't waiting for the one specific day where people seemingly are allowed to mention it.

How are the people who speak about problems men go through because of the current glorification of all things feminist, somehow doing harm by highlighting it all year around?

As the OP stated in a different thread, IMD will be a day where feminists will gladly speak well about men. Great. But afterwards, will they continue to champion men's issues or will it be back to their regular scheduled bull**** of misandry and sexist agendas?

I for one won't walk hand in hand with these people.

JupiterKid wrote:

Sometimes us men are our own worst enemies...

Yes. But I don't think we are talking about the same men.

Church on Tuesday

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You say all that JK, and I know you know well what woke means, no need to be disingenuous, you’re around Boards long enough to be aware that it’s been explained numerous times - it’s exactly what you’re doing above, and what you followed it up with is exactly why people are critical of the nonsense of these ideas like international men’s day and international women’s day and all the other days that are purported to be for their benefit.

Yeah, not about gender wars or point scoring you say? And then you come out with that crap about anyone who is critical of what you think is a great idea. It’s only a great idea because you get a bit of attention from your peers who think these days are a great idea too where you all get to pat yourselves on the back for how woke you are and how anyone who disagrees with you are only cribbing about feminism and men are their own worst enemies.

You really think anyone wants to listen to you tell them they’re their own worst enemy? Blindboy tried peddling that same craic on the Late Late and while the plastic bag on his bonce wasn’t transparent, his motivations for saying young men need feminism certainly were - it’s the kind of rhetoric that plays well with the social justice crowd. He needs that recognition because the young men he makes a living taking the the piss out of are sick of his shìt. Like everyone else he knows he has to pay the bills somehow, and for him punching down is how he does it for his new found champagne socialist audience, not unlike what you’re doing.

I don’t pretend to speak for anyone else and that’s how I see these “international days” - they’re not for the benefit of the people they claim to be benefiting at all, they’re for the benefit of people who want to appear as though they care about other people.

Yourself and the other poster seem awfully cross about these kinds of people.

Can ye not just ignore them?

I can guarantee you the visibility of IMD will be of great benefit to those men who are at a low point and just may want to reach out.

Bobblehats

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Agreed.
A load of bollocks .

Right I tend to prefer when all the kerfuffle that surrounds whatever particular day has died down and I’ve settled back into the general day to dayness. It is at this point that I can finally say day day

One eyed Jack

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Yourself and the other poster seem awfully cross about these kinds of people.

Can ye not just ignore them?

I generally don’t have to ignore them as they only emerge when it’s coming up to the one day of the year when they want everyone to know they care. The rest of the year they stay within their own echo chambers smelling their own farts.

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I can guarantee you the visibility of IMD will be of great benefit to those men who are at a low point and just may want to reach out.

No you can’t. You can’t guarantee anything because that guarantee would be based upon the assumption that men are somewhat of a hive mind. It might help some people, it might make other people who are at a low point and want to reach out, feel worse, and feel like they can’t reach out. There’s no way of guaranteeing any outcome of anything.

If what you’re arguing were the case and you wanted to argue that IWD and IMD highlight issues like the rising suicide rates of self harm and suicide among children, women and men (as just one example of an issue common to these “international days”), then it would be reasonable to conclude we would see a decrease in these suicide rates among the various demographics. We’re not seeing a decrease, we’re seeing the rates increasing exponentially.

It would appear that these “international days” are having the complete opposite of their purported intent if you want to associate them with having an effect on the issues you claim they’re intended to address.

1800_Ladladlad

There has been a positive discussion of men's mental health issues for several years now. Its not new. It's only recently coming into effect because of the use of social media. How long do men have to keep the discussion going? How long must they keep talking? The numbers speak for themselves in relation to male suicides. People are voting for the same party who does not acknowledge that the mental health situation in Ireland is a major issue, that needs to be addressed, including suicide among males as it an error of contention. It all talks until it comes to voting.

IMO- I abhor the virtuous and social awareness aspect of it as you get people talking through their hole on the matter, people who wear their self-diagnosis like a badge of honor and people who simply do it for personal gain. There is a difference between being mentally ill and looking after your mental health which is done through CBT, mindfulness, and meditation etc as is done by a person who goes to the gym to look after their physical health. I know a lot of people who melodramatically conflate feelings of sadness and being mentally ill, its how they say it, how they are going about expressing how they feel and it's like people are reading from the same hymn book, they are: social medial

100%, Im all for people staying alive and looking after themselves when they are not in a good place. I'm not mad on the idea like men and women's day but if it saves 1 life. No way would I rebuke it

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But as you say, your reaction to someone reaching out for help is very important but that should go for everyday, not just one arbitrary day where it is cool to be nice to men. Having said that if IMD does help one person be a little more caring, then that can mean the world to someone else. Lets just hope the pricks who use the day to boost their own standing don't ruin it for many more.

Why do you care more about “the pricks using the day to boost their own standing” (as arbitrarily adjudicated by yourself), than the impact of the day and the potential to raise awareness and capitalise on the information for the rest of the year? So you see someone on Facebook who is raising awareness of important issues and you worry more about whether they’re a “prick” than the value of the message.

We all pick our battles and you seem to be demonstrating your priority. Wouldn’t you just use the day to accentuate the things you care about?

Church on Tuesday

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I generally don’t have to ignore them as they only emerge when it’s coming up to the one day of the year when they want everyone to know they care. The rest of the year they stay within their own echo chambers smelling their own farts.

No you can’t. You can’t guarantee anything because that guarantee would be based upon the assumption that men are somewhat of a hive mind. It might help some people, it might make other people who are at a low point and want to reach out, feel worse, and feel like they can’t reach out. There’s no way of guaranteeing any outcome of anything.

If what you’re arguing were the case and you wanted to argue that IWD and IMD highlight issues like the rising suicide rates of self harm and suicide among children, women and men (as just one example of an issue common to these “international days”), then it would be reasonable to conclude we would see a decrease in these suicide rates among the various demographics. We’re not seeing a decrease, we’re seeing the rates increasing exponentially.

It would appear that these “international days” are having the complete opposite of their purported intent if you want to associate them with having an effect on the issues you claim they’re intended to address.

So you remain friends with them and follow them on social media the rest of the year? Fair enough.

It would be crazy to think that IMD, the initiative, can suddenly reduce suicide rates in men. It can only really serve to highlight the issues and hopefully get people talking about them, which funnily enough, you and I are doing right now.

I can guarantee that the visibility of IMD will help men reach out or a lest consider seeking help. I see no harm in it.

This all smacks of outrage just for the sake of it TBH. I couldn't give a toss if Mary or Sean share a bollocks inspirational quote on FB or whatever or change their frame to IMD to garner likes; all I care about is that the day itself hammers home the message that there is help out there if you wish to avail of it and that you are not alone.

Ironicname

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

We all pick our battles and you seem to be demonstrating your priority. Wouldnâ€™t you just use the day to accentuate the things you care about?

No thanks. I see no reason to change anything about how I deal with the things I care about. I would rather not "use" men's issues. And please ease up on your passive aggressive tone. You are either aware of your posting tone and choose to be the same on every thread or alternatively you are painfully unaware how caustic you come across.

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Why do you care more about â€œthe pricks using the day to boost their own standingâ€ (as arbitrarily adjudicated by yourself), than the impact of the day and the potential to raise awareness and capitalise on the information for the rest of the year? So you see someone on Facebook who is raising awareness of important issues and you worry more about whether theyâ€™re a â€œprickâ€ than the value of the message.

As others have pointed out, some people are negatively affected by seeing people use their problems as a way to boost their own standing. People I know. So yes, I care about that.

You might have a different experience and that's fine, but I don't like the idea of IMD.

Calhoun

I think we need to be very careful here, do we want too be part of the narrative promoting IMD and ensure its done in a manner that promotes the good in all men and highlight the needs they have.

Or do we want to gatekeep and not support something because its not done in a manner we like and then be removed from the narrative entirely.

I prefer the former.

El_Duderino 09

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

This all smacks of outrage just for the sake of it TBH. I couldn't give a toss if Mary or Sean share a bollocks inspirational quote on FB or whatever or change their frame to IMD to garner likes; all I care about is that the day itself hammers home the message that there is help out there if you wish to avail of it and that you are not alone.

Completely agree. I’m
Not on Facebook so I don’t see then stuff these people are annoyed about, but I’m aware that it exists.

You see people say they like the idea of IMD but they don’t support it because it’s not about the right things like warriors and road builders, never thinking the day is shaped by those who actually proactively promote the things they care about. You see people say they like it but the people who promote it are the wrong people and don’t pass their purity test. And people who say they support men being able to talk about mental health problems but they happen to dislike the people who actually talk about their experience mental ill health without being ashamed of it (because if someone isn’t ashamed of themselves while talking about mental ill health, they must be doing it for the wrong reasons)

The bottom line is that there are people who support promoting men’s issues and people who oppose them. There are some who will say they support it in principle while they actually give out about anyone who actually talks about experience of mental illness or promotes IMD. They would probably deny being part of the problem too but you can judge people by their actions I regards to these things.

Ironicname

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

There are some who will say they support it in principle while they actually give out about anyone who actually talks about experience of mental illness

I haven't seen one person do that.

One eyed Jack

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

So you remain friends with them and follow them on social media the rest of the year? Fair enough.

Dear God no, Boards and LinkedIn are the extent of anything I have to do with social media, I don’t want to know what anyone is promoting this week, or whatever the case may be as regards their online social justice advocacy. Frankly I generally don’t spend that much time talking about these things in my daily interactions with other people. Used to when I actually worked in social care, but not any more as it was doing my own mental health no favours working in that environment.

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

It would be crazy to think that IMD, the initiative, can suddenly reduce suicide rates in men. It can only really serve to highlight the issues and hopefully get people talking about them, which funnily enough, you and I are doing right now.

We’re not talking about the issues though, we’re talking about IMD and whether it does all that much to address the issues it’s proponents are advocating for. I don’t think it does, and there is no evidence to suggest that it does anything of the sort of claims you’re making. People are aware of these issues already because people are living with them. That might seem like I’m stating the obvious but all too often the idea seems to be more concerned with highlighting issues, and no acknowledgement of the fact that just being a decent person is one way of addressing a multitude of these issues. In effect - practice what you preach.

The point being that for all the talk about these issues, that talking doesn’t appear to translate into action. It’s as though people care more about how they are perceived on social media as opposed to actually having to interact with people experiencing the issues they advocate for. It’s a bit like JupiterKids earlier observation that apparently men are their own worst enemy. I don’t see that as particularly helpful as it suggests that JupiterKid knows what’s better for men than actually having to listen to what men are saying. Most men in my experience simply cannot relate to feminism in it’s current incarnation. It’s not any fear of emasculation, it’s simply that it makes no sense to them. They’re not alone, it makes about as much sense to me too as IMD.

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I can guarantee that the visibility of IMD will help men reach out or a lest consider seeking help. I see no harm in it.

My issue with what you’re saying is that you appear to be exaggerating the effect of the phenomenon as though it’s self-fulfilling. My view is more nuanced than that - it might make some men reach out, it might make some men and women feel worse about themselves. For the vast majority of people though, the evidence is that these days make not one iota of a difference in their lives. They don’t talk about the issues you wish they would talk about from your perspective, as they’re generally too busy trying to keep their heads above water in their own lives to have time to concern themselves with anyone else’s life or any of these social issues that a minority of people care about. Their concerns are more immediate and more closer to home than thinking about international social justice issues.

That being said, the only reason I see no harm in IMD is because I don’t think too many people have any interest in it in the first place, any more than they have any interest in the fact that it’s also the day I was born.

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

This all smacks of outrage just for the sake of it TBH. I couldn't give a toss if Mary or Sean share a bollocks inspirational quote on FB or whatever or change their frame to IMD to garner likes; all I care about is that the day itself hammers home the message that there is help out there if you wish to avail of it and that you are not alone.

I don’t care about any of that stuff either, and I’m certainly not prone to outrage. No, my issue is with people who latch on to every cause trending on social media who appear to be more interested in advertising thermselves, as opposed to advertising the cause they’re advocating for this week. Next week it’ll be something else. That’s the point. I couldn’t care less generally, but when it comes up on Boards, I’ll give my opinion on how ineffective these days actually appear to be, and contrary to El_D’s belief - the only capitalising that appears to be going on is self-promotion, as opposed to any interest in the people experiencing the issues these people are using to promote themselves.

The reality is of course that most people are dealing with these issues on a daily basis as opposed to needing them highlighted on any particular day of the year, or a whole week, or a whole month promoting these issues. Everyone is already doing what they can to make people’s lives better for the people they care about. They don’t need to be told they’re their own worst enemy, because that’s a shìtty thing to say to anyone IMO.

Raconteuse

One eyed Jack wrote: »

God love ya for getting wound up because other people don’t give two fcuks for your day of self-congratulation.

Really no need for that.

I am glad an effort is being made to highlight what men have to deal with and which sometimes gets forgotten about because men are expected to take it on the chin.