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Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

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Kevin Lunney was abducted from his home last night and badly beaten.

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James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I know it's a cliche but my jaw kinda dropped open when I read Traynor's and Haughey's name. What a web and where are our mainstream journalists on that story!

They are too busy peddling the socialist agenda doncha know

NIMAN

Silly Gilly wrote: »

I think a taser may have been involved.

Dalian Atkinson died the same way. Was on the news yesterday.

But I'd have more sympathy for the former.

Gadgetman496

NIMAN wrote: »

He wasn't the healthiest looking 55yr old I've ever seen.

No surprise he took a heart attack when his door was bust down.

Wonder how he would have handled an ambush down a country lane in the dark, being abducted and tortured followed by being dumped on a lonely roadside?

Not too well I'd imagine!

Silly Gilly

NIMAN wrote: »

He wasn't the healthiest looking 55yr old I've ever seen.

No surprise he took a heart attack when his door was bust down.

I think a taser may have been involved.

NIMAN

He wasn't the healthiest looking 55yr old I've ever seen.

No surprise he took a heart attack when his door was bust down.

FrancieBrady

Silly Gilly wrote: »

Kevin Lunney said in his interview that the whole Anglo situation changed Quinn's personality and he no longer recognises his former employer. Bitterness can do strange things to people.

No doubt.
Haven't met the man in a couple of years. Just making the point that if you are decent to local people it is no surprise that they would rally around you. It's too easy to fall on the old tropes and cliches, 'that they are all the same up there' or 'the community is sheltering criminals' etc.

Silly Gilly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In defence of 'local people', they don't necessarily know somebody is behaving criminally. They generally judge people on their experiences in dealing with them.
As I said, my father worked for Quinn and I know him, could I say he was a criminal...no, absolutely not. In fact my experience of him is as an incredibly generous man.

Kevin Lunney said in his interview that the whole Anglo situation changed Quinn's personality and he no longer recognises his former employer. Bitterness can do strange things to people.

ThunderCat

Irish Times now reporting that a treasure trove of documents/information found at site of yer mans death.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/police-find-treasure-trove-as-main-suspect-in-kevin-lunney-attack-dies-during-raid-1.4076596

tayto lover

The cause of the whole Quinn debacle boils down to one basic ingredient —- GREED.

FrancieBrady

Seth Brundle wrote: »

...aah sure maybe the locals up around Ballyconnell & Derrylin will throw some money towards him.
They could have a fundraiser event and Mickey "You know decent people when you meet them. The Quinns are decent people." Harte and Fr Brian D'Arcy will even turn up! :rolleyes:

In defence of 'local people', they don't necessarily know somebody is behaving criminally. They generally judge people on their experiences in dealing with them.
As I said, my father worked for Quinn and I know him, could I say he was a criminal...no, absolutely not. In fact my experience of him is as an incredibly generous man.

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

shows the quality of the hard men put on pedestals by the media or anyone who soft-pedals the cancer of violence in pursuit of financial or political ends.

big man shat himself and keeled over at sign of a cop actually coming at him.

embarrassed that it took the uk cops to put the hand on him.

drug gangs, splinter republicans, border bandits- only take up the gun cos theyre not worth a fcuk with the gifts they inherited

If you read the article it states that it was our Garda who actually traced him and pointed out his secret hideaway to the English police. They knew nothing about him.
Less of the faux embarrassment to get your digs in.

Seth Brundle

blackwhite wrote: »

The behaviour of the Quinn family in concealing assets isn't going to help win the trust of any potential new investors

...aah sure maybe the locals up around Ballyconnell & Derrylin will throw some money towards him.
They could have a fundraiser event and Mickey "You know decent people when you meet them. The Quinns are decent people." Harte and Fr Brian D'Arcy will even turn up! :rolleyes:

DFGrange

blackwhite wrote: »

The behaviour of the Quinn family in concealing assets isn't going to help win the trust of any potential new investors

Sean jnr and his sisters took out €30m each from QDI months before the crash.

Silly Gilly

I see on Twitter that Cyril McGuinness was supposedly a cousin of former Sinn Fein representative Martin McGuinness. Can any locals confirm this?

celt262

blackwhite wrote: »

The behaviour of the Quinn family in concealing assets isn't going to help win the trust of any potential new investors

If he is linked to this that will be the least of his worries from now on.

blackwhite

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Not just that.
His insurance business was mismanaged as it had "significantly breached" its solvency ratios and made various asset guarantees which reduced the companys value.
We now have a 2% levy to all non-life policies until 2037 to thank him for :mad:

The we had the lengthy chase to find out where all of his assets were - doubtful that everything was found

IMO this is the biggest reason that Quinn hasn't had the chance to go back into business.
Any of the developers who have reappeared in recent years have needed to attract external backers to help fund their new projects.

The behaviour of the Quinn family in concealing assets isn't going to help win the trust of any potential new investors

NIMAN

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Not just that.
His insurance business was mismanaged as it had "significantly breached" its solvency ratios and made various asset guarantees which reduced the companys value.
We now have a 2% levy to all non-life policies until 2037 to thank him for :mad:

The we had the lengthy chase to find out where all of his assets were - doubtful that everything was found.

Did you see his gaff on the C4 clip?

I wish I was as bankrupt as him.

Seth Brundle

NIMAN wrote: »

Was the reason for his spectacular fall not the fact that he bet everything he had, billions of Euro, on Anglo Irish and it was a sham bank?

Not just that.
His insurance business was mismanaged as it had "significantly breached" its solvency ratios and made various asset guarantees which reduced the companys value.
We now have a 2% levy to all non-life policies until 2037 to thank him for :mad:

The we had the lengthy chase to find out where all of his assets were - doubtful that everything was found.

celt262

Who will play Sean Quinn in the film?

Muahahaha

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You'd have to say an incident like that would land very quickly on the Garda Commissioner's desk with 'Urgent' marked on it.

As a citizen of an area demarked as 'lawless' by none other than our current Taoiseach I would like to know what his direction was on it and all the other incidents.

iirc the arson attack on the Gardas car happened in 2014 so this goes back to Callinan and Shatter at a time when Maurice McCabe was shouting up about poor policing in the Cavan area. It seems crazy that an individual Garda was attacked and had to move out of the area and there was no proper response from the State.

careless sherpa wrote: »

He is notorious since he moved to the area. Won't be too many shedding a tear

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

A well known name in the local area and well known to the cops.

Lads ye seem to have some good local knowledge, who was this Dublin Jimmy and what criminal activity was he running in the area? Was he ex-IRA or just a common criminal?

NIMAN

blackwhite wrote: »

Maybe read the post I was responding to - someone trying to claim that today's developments have exonerated Quinn.

Media outlets are being incredibly careful to avoid naming Quinn directly - but aren't being overly subtle about the hints they are dropping

I suppose you can't get sued for dropping hints.

Nekarsulm

DFGrange wrote: »

Ahem... I'm only speculating here. It's possible that SQ was set up and protected by the IRA from the outset and in their mind it's their company.

I'm just guessing..

Sean Quinn being the front for very very very bad people laundering money from major bank raids in recent times... it's their retirement fund.

Maybe.. just speculating..

No, the lad set up with a Fordson Major tractor digging gravel out of the corner of a field, and rode the construction boom.( as a teenager)
When he decided to get into cement he found he couldn't buy the plant in Ireland or England, Cement Roadstone warned off each supplier , and if they sold Quinn anything they'd never get an order from Roadstone again.
He had to go to France to get someone to sell him the machinery.
So no, the IRA didn't set him up as a front.

[Deleted User]

NIMAN wrote: »

Why did it not happen when a Guard's car was being torched and his family threatened.

For me, that there would be the breaking point. Once the law is shown to have no power, the full force of the security forces should have come down hard.

There has been more than one guard victim of this particular individual.
And no-one cares because they are guards.
That's the way it is

blackwhite

celt262 wrote: »

The paymaster what a mystery....

Patrick2010 wrote: »

McGuinness was doing it to get Sean Quinn back in charge. He wasn’t going to profit, only Quinn would so unless McGuinness is some altruist you would have to assume he was working for Quinn.
Interesting if they trace a contact between the two of them.

Maybe read the post I was responding to - someone trying to claim that today's developments have exonerated Quinn.

Media outlets are being incredibly careful to avoid naming Quinn directly - but aren't being overly subtle about the hints they are dropping

FrancieBrady

NIMAN wrote: »

Sure did......and what gangster story would be complete without Charlie Haughey's name.

I know it's a cliche but my jaw kinda dropped open when I read Traynor's and Haughey's name. What a web and where are our mainstream journalists on that story!

NIMAN

dresden8 wrote: »

Hard to believe a guy with over 50 convictions dtops dead because the cops come through his door.

Hard to believe a guy with 50 convictions, and who is so cold, ruthless and violent, is walking the streets.

FrancieBrady

NIMAN wrote: »

Was the reason for his spectacular fall not the fact that he bet everything he had, billions of Euro, on Anglo Irish and it was a sham bank?

Not diminishing for a second anything he did. I just think that other people who fell, and there were many, didn't perhaps get treated as harshly as Quinn was. Many of them are back in business happily today. Many of them escaped any serious consequences for their wrongdoing/mistakes.
Just an observation.

dresden8

Hard to believe a guy with over 50 convictions dtops dead because the cops come through his door.

NIMAN

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As I said earlier, I remember well Sean Quinn's rise and remember the spying allegations and other skullduggery accusations going on. I always reckoned that part of the reason for his spectacular fall was that he seriously annoyed some big players in a very lucrative business during that time, but I never quite knew exactly what was going on. I still don't understand the in's and out's but this is quite a read, it like the plot of a Mafia novel tbh. And some of the names!

https://villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2012/11/the-cement-billionaires/

Sure did......and what gangster story would be complete without Charlie Haughey's name.

FrancieBrady

NIMAN wrote: »

Re: the fact that the security heat was so late in getting stepped up.

Why did it not happen when a Guard's car was being torched and his family threatened.

For me, that there would be the breaking point. Once the law is shown to have no power, the full force of the security forces should have come down hard.

You'd have to say an incident like that would land very quickly on the Garda Commissioner's desk with 'Urgent' marked on it.

As a citizen of an area demarked as 'lawless' by none other than our current Taoiseach I would like to know what his direction was on it and all the other incidents.