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The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

carsfan

Any body with either of these able to advise on what the real world economy is of these?
There is not much between them in purchase price.
The gtd 625 euro more.
I do 25000km a year and really would prefer the gti but my head tells me the gtd is what I should be looking at.
I've only driven the gti and found it very entertaining.
Dealer says resale is the same for both of them. There is only 90 euro difference in road tax and insurance the same so fuel costs are the main financial difference.

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JoeA3

Yup it’s not pretty. I wouldn’t say ugly, just bland and unremarkable. It could have an Opel/Hyundai badge...

drunkmonkey

The BMW is one ugly looking car from both ends.

JoeA3

carsfan2 wrote: »

Indeed. But the R is starting at over 50k too and will be early fifties with a few options. Does 4/5 grand make a huge difference if you’re dropping this sort of money on a car anyway? I don’t know?
Finance is 3.9% on BMW website. I also think they will hold their value better than buying the last of the current golf R models and would be less common.

Not sure about that tbh! You know better than most about BMW’s residuals and the 1 series has never been too popular here. I don’t see that new model changing things too much in that regard, I think it’ll remain a left field odd ball choice and I don’t see much appeal in it at all. At least in its previous guise it had something unusual from the rest, RWD, 6 pot engines, etc. Not anymore.

Personally I’d be very slow to drop 50k on the run out Golf too.

SaintsYB

carsfan2 wrote: »

Indeed. But the R is starting at over 50k too and will be early fifties with a few options. Does 4/5 grand make a huge difference if you’re dropping this sort of money on a car anyway? I don’t know?
Finance is 3.9% on BMW website. I also think they will hold their value better than buying the last of the current golf R models and would be less common.

I have to agree with you on that to be fair. If you're buying a car worth over €50k, you probably won't mind a few thousand more and will almost certainly be far rarer.

carsfan2

SaintsYB wrote: »

The thing is though, to get any sort of decent spec for one (19" alloys and a no-cost white paint), you're looking at ~€57k. You'd probably get fleeced by BMW to finance one too.

Indeed. But the R is starting at over 50k too and will be early fifties with a few options. Does 4/5 grand make a huge difference if you’re dropping this sort of money on a car anyway? I don’t know?
Finance is 3.9% on BMW website. I also think they will hold their value better than buying the last of the current golf R models and would be less common.

SaintsYB

carsfan2 wrote: »

If you are looking for an alternative to the Golf R, I would look at the new BMW M135i, which is similar money. I am tempted by one of them myself.

The thing is though, to get any sort of decent spec for one (19" alloys and a no-cost white paint), you're looking at ~€57k. You'd probably get fleeced by BMW to finance one too.

carsfan2

I would guess that if you look for a 201 golf now the dealers will only be able to offer what is already built and coming into the country and hasn’t been allocated to another dealer.
Presumably these are all fully loaded run out models.
If you are looking for an alternative to the golf R I would look at the new BMW M135i which is similar money. I am tempted by one of them myself.

hazbot

vintagevrs wrote: »

I'd wait for something altogether different. You'll pay a hefty premium to buy a new R now, even with "discounts". Once the new car smell wears off, you'll still be in essentially the same car.

If you fancy a change, a remap would be money better spent I would say assuming yours isn't already done.

All true.

That's the thing, it could be appealing to get a new R only if there was a load of extra kit thrown in for the run-out, but if not then I'd end up with the same spec. It remains to be seen if anyone has the info yet on what the last few orders might look like.

And as said, it could be that production of the performance models has finished. I assume they're still making the regular versions as VW have them on their site with 201 run-out offers. I would hope VW Ireland had checked first that they could still actually get them

CIP4

carsfan2 wrote: »

Are they still manufacturing the mark 7.5 golf?
Have they not switched over to mark 8 yet?

Yes I looked at ordering a Golf GTI in July from the factory and was told Mk7.5 production was ending and I wouldn’t get one. Not sure how true that was when I tried to buy one from stock was told there was only one in stock tried to buy that one but a dealer already had it and it was sold which I assume it was as I never seen it hit Carzone.

Price wise was quoted 45k for one in stock that without metallic paint or extras but factory order was gone up 1K to 46k Golf GTI 5 door DSG PP. Although the prices turned out to be a bit useless as they could give me prices but not actually sell me one :pac:

carsfan2

Are they still manufacturing the mark 7.5 golf?
Have they not switched over to mark 8 yet?

vintagevrs

I'd wait for something altogether different. You'll pay a hefty premium to buy a new R now, even with "discounts". Once the new car smell wears off, you'll still be in essentially the same car.

If you fancy a change, a remap would be money better spent I would say assuming yours isn't already done.

hazbot

hooch-85 wrote: »

Just looked up the product guide and a new R starts at €50,525. Tick a few boxes like leather and DCC and your up on €55k. I don't know if many would be willing to part with that kind of cash with the MK8 on the horizon.

Yeah... spendy alright.

Just looking at what we have seen so far of the Mk8, I personally don't fancy it at all. Even though admittedly we don't know yet what the R version would be like. The move to all touchscreens on the inside, and the weird looking front-end outside would put me off.

So it's a case of keep my current 2016 R, grab a "run-out" 2020 Mk7.5 R or wait for something altogether different in a year or two!

hooch-85

DaveyDave wrote: »

Didn't the GTI DSG go up to €44k only recently? Christ.

Product guide effective from 01.07.19

DaveyDave

Didn't the GTI DSG go up to €44k only recently? Christ.

hooch-85

Just looked up the product guide and a new R starts at €50,525. Tick a few boxes like leather and DCC and your up on €55k. I don't know if many would be willing to part with that kind of cash with the MK8 on the horizon.

Just for reference a GTi PP DSG 245 starts at €46,170, the GTD seems to be discontinued altogether.

hazbot

Anyone thinking of ordering one of the last of the Mk7.5 Rs for 201 before they stop making them?

Might pop into the dealer and see what kind of offers and/or extra specs they are doing for the run-out models (assuming they know about said offers)

Volkswagen website mentions some run-out deals for Highline & R-Line but not for the performance models.

Ron Burgundy II

Yeah, I don't think I've heard anything. Must listen out more carefully next time.

CIP4

tossy wrote: »

After run pump to cool all the components down slowly and equally. Having a manifold turbo and block cooling at different rates isn’t good.vag cars have had them for years.

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

Is that standard on all turbo VAGs?

Thanks I would be fairly sure my Leon 1.4tsi or A4 1.4tfsi didn’t have it both were 161. This is the first car I have had that has it. Maybe it’s not installed on the 1.4 engine.

ShadowHearth

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

Is that standard on all turbo VAGs?

My baby Cupra does that too. Clever I guess, but it is a bit "stressful" when you hear it for the first time and don't know wtf is that.

Lads, just to come back to that topic of water pumps in GTIs. Is that some kind design flaw? Are all cars effective or there is a cut off time when it was sorted? And does it effect Leon Cupra too?

tossy

BrownFinger wrote: »

Sometimes my mk5 gti runs its fan at full blast after its been shut off.
I was walking by a lad in works mk6 TDI and it was doing the same thing the other day.
Doesn't seem to be any consistency to it at all.

Thats your GTI doing a DPF regen.

[Deleted User]

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

Is that standard on all turbo VAGs?

Sometimes my mk5 gti runs its fan at full blast after its been shut off.
I was walking by a lad in works mk6 TDI and it was doing the same thing the other day.
Doesn't seem to be any consistency to it at all.

Brian Scan

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I dunno gents, I really dont care love this thread but 6 pages of cribbing about is xenons vs halogens, Lord Jaysis. Can we agree to differ?

JoeA3 wrote: »

And ironically you felt the need to add to it and offer nothing to the debate. A double whammy.

It’s only 2 pages for me, you can change that in your settings.

I really like the thread, too, partially due to the nerdiness, but I would certainly be wary of posting any kind of criticism, no matter how gentle or light-hearted.

ILikeBoats

Wife's Q5 does the same

tossy

Ron Burgundy II wrote: »

Is that standard on all turbo VAGs?

I think a lot have it now. Back in the day it was only ever performance models. The first car I had it on was a v6 bora so (so not just turbo cars) I seen a post on here recently where someone had disconnected their one on a regular mk7 tdi whole servicing it so I presume they are more common.

Ron Burgundy II

Is that standard on all turbo VAGs?

tossy

CIP4 wrote: »

On my Mk7.5 Golf GTI when I switch off the engine. There is a noise (buzzing / whirring) from the engine compartment seems to stay on for a couple of minutes. Anyone know what it is ? At a guess I was thinking is it some kind of electronic circulation pump running to circulate oil or coolant after shutdown. I could be wrong though.

After run pump to cool all the components down slowly and equally. Having a manifold turbo and block cooling at different rates isn’t good.vag cars have had them for years.

Rusky rusky

CIP4 wrote: »

On my Mk7.5 Golf GTI when I switch off the engine. There is a noise (buzzing / whirring) from the engine compartment seems to stay on for a couple of minutes. Anyone know what it is ? At a guess I was thinking is it some kind of electronic circulation pump running to circulate oil or coolant after shutdown. I could be wrong though.

Water cooled turbo

CIP4

On my Mk7.5 Golf GTI when I switch off the engine. There is a noise (buzzing / whirring) from the engine compartment seems to stay on for a couple of minutes. Anyone know what it is ? At a guess I was thinking is it some kind of electronic circulation pump running to circulate oil or coolant after shutdown. I could be wrong though.

carsfan2

When the mark 7 gti came out in Ireland first I was interested in one until I saw the standard spec, Halogen lights, 17” alloys etc.
VW Ireland completely screwed up here. When they saw the error of their ways and added all the kit that should have been there it was a much more desirable car and I bought one.
I think buyers of mark 7 gti’s of any age are a lot more aware of the car and spec than your average golf buyer and I imagine the early cars will be much harder to shift as a result.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

JoeA3 wrote: »

And ironically you felt the need to add to it and offer nothing to the debate. A double whammy.

It’s only 2 pages for me, you can change that in your settings.

:rolleyes: