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The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

carsfan

Any body with either of these able to advise on what the real world economy is of these?
There is not much between them in purchase price.
The gtd 625 euro more.
I do 25000km a year and really would prefer the gti but my head tells me the gtd is what I should be looking at.
I've only driven the gti and found it very entertaining.
Dealer says resale is the same for both of them. There is only 90 euro difference in road tax and insurance the same so fuel costs are the main financial difference.

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hazbot

Anyone thinking of ordering one of the last of the Mk7.5 Rs for 201 before they stop making them?

Might pop into the dealer and see what kind of offers and/or extra specs they are doing for the run-out models (assuming they know about said offers)

Volkswagen website mentions some run-out deals for Highline & R-Line but not for the performance models.

hooch-85

Just looked up the product guide and a new R starts at €50,525. Tick a few boxes like leather and DCC and your up on €55k. I don't know if many would be willing to part with that kind of cash with the MK8 on the horizon.

Just for reference a GTi PP DSG 245 starts at €46,170, the GTD seems to be discontinued altogether.

DaveyDave

Didn't the GTI DSG go up to €44k only recently? Christ.

hooch-85

DaveyDave wrote: »

Didn't the GTI DSG go up to €44k only recently? Christ.

Product guide effective from 01.07.19

hazbot

hooch-85 wrote: »

Just looked up the product guide and a new R starts at €50,525. Tick a few boxes like leather and DCC and your up on €55k. I don't know if many would be willing to part with that kind of cash with the MK8 on the horizon.

Yeah... spendy alright.

Just looking at what we have seen so far of the Mk8, I personally don't fancy it at all. Even though admittedly we don't know yet what the R version would be like. The move to all touchscreens on the inside, and the weird looking front-end outside would put me off.

So it's a case of keep my current 2016 R, grab a "run-out" 2020 Mk7.5 R or wait for something altogether different in a year or two!

vintagevrs

I'd wait for something altogether different. You'll pay a hefty premium to buy a new R now, even with "discounts". Once the new car smell wears off, you'll still be in essentially the same car.

If you fancy a change, a remap would be money better spent I would say assuming yours isn't already done.

carsfan2

Are they still manufacturing the mark 7.5 golf?
Have they not switched over to mark 8 yet?

CIP4

carsfan2 wrote: »

Are they still manufacturing the mark 7.5 golf?
Have they not switched over to mark 8 yet?

Yes I looked at ordering a Golf GTI in July from the factory and was told Mk7.5 production was ending and I wouldn’t get one. Not sure how true that was when I tried to buy one from stock was told there was only one in stock tried to buy that one but a dealer already had it and it was sold which I assume it was as I never seen it hit Carzone.

Price wise was quoted 45k for one in stock that without metallic paint or extras but factory order was gone up 1K to 46k Golf GTI 5 door DSG PP. Although the prices turned out to be a bit useless as they could give me prices but not actually sell me one :pac:

hazbot

vintagevrs wrote: »

I'd wait for something altogether different. You'll pay a hefty premium to buy a new R now, even with "discounts". Once the new car smell wears off, you'll still be in essentially the same car.

If you fancy a change, a remap would be money better spent I would say assuming yours isn't already done.

All true.

That's the thing, it could be appealing to get a new R only if there was a load of extra kit thrown in for the run-out, but if not then I'd end up with the same spec. It remains to be seen if anyone has the info yet on what the last few orders might look like.

And as said, it could be that production of the performance models has finished. I assume they're still making the regular versions as VW have them on their site with 201 run-out offers. I would hope VW Ireland had checked first that they could still actually get them

carsfan2

I would guess that if you look for a 201 golf now the dealers will only be able to offer what is already built and coming into the country and hasn’t been allocated to another dealer.
Presumably these are all fully loaded run out models.
If you are looking for an alternative to the golf R I would look at the new BMW M135i which is similar money. I am tempted by one of them myself.

SaintsYB

carsfan2 wrote: »

If you are looking for an alternative to the Golf R, I would look at the new BMW M135i, which is similar money. I am tempted by one of them myself.

The thing is though, to get any sort of decent spec for one (19" alloys and a no-cost white paint), you're looking at ~€57k. You'd probably get fleeced by BMW to finance one too.

carsfan2

SaintsYB wrote: »

The thing is though, to get any sort of decent spec for one (19" alloys and a no-cost white paint), you're looking at ~€57k. You'd probably get fleeced by BMW to finance one too.

Indeed. But the R is starting at over 50k too and will be early fifties with a few options. Does 4/5 grand make a huge difference if you’re dropping this sort of money on a car anyway? I don’t know?
Finance is 3.9% on BMW website. I also think they will hold their value better than buying the last of the current golf R models and would be less common.

SaintsYB

carsfan2 wrote: »

Indeed. But the R is starting at over 50k too and will be early fifties with a few options. Does 4/5 grand make a huge difference if you’re dropping this sort of money on a car anyway? I don’t know?
Finance is 3.9% on BMW website. I also think they will hold their value better than buying the last of the current golf R models and would be less common.

I have to agree with you on that to be fair. If you're buying a car worth over €50k, you probably won't mind a few thousand more and will almost certainly be far rarer.

JoeA3

carsfan2 wrote: »

Indeed. But the R is starting at over 50k too and will be early fifties with a few options. Does 4/5 grand make a huge difference if you’re dropping this sort of money on a car anyway? I don’t know?
Finance is 3.9% on BMW website. I also think they will hold their value better than buying the last of the current golf R models and would be less common.

Not sure about that tbh! You know better than most about BMW’s residuals and the 1 series has never been too popular here. I don’t see that new model changing things too much in that regard, I think it’ll remain a left field odd ball choice and I don’t see much appeal in it at all. At least in its previous guise it had something unusual from the rest, RWD, 6 pot engines, etc. Not anymore.

Personally I’d be very slow to drop 50k on the run out Golf too.

drunkmonkey

The BMW is one ugly looking car from both ends.

JoeA3

Yup it’s not pretty. I wouldn’t say ugly, just bland and unremarkable. It could have an Opel/Hyundai badge...

eljono

Dropped my Mk7 PP in for service today and had the diff oil and filter changed at the same time as the car is 3yrs old and close to 50kms. It was the first one they had done. Do people generally not service their VAQ diff?

drunkmonkey

It's a bit of a mix of both. The 2 is such a good looking small car, like a mini mustang you wonder how they got the 1 so wrong in the looks department.

carsfan2

JoeA3 wrote: »

Not sure about that tbh! You know better than most about BMW’s residuals and the 1 series has never been too popular here. I don’t see that new model changing things too much in that regard, I think it’ll remain a left field odd ball choice and I don’t see much appeal in it at all. At least in its previous guise it had something unusual from the rest, RWD, 6 pot engines, etc. Not anymore.

Personally I’d be very slow to drop 50k on the run out Golf too.

I think the new 1 series looks a lot better in the metal than pictures and I reckon they have pitched this model directly against the R and Audi s3 with the two litre engine and four wheel drive.
I also guess that while it will not be as common as the golf they will sell more than the previous model as it’s a better all rounder than previous.
That said I would not buy any BMW or probably any other car new again as residual values are so poor these days. Just doesn’t make sense when so many cars at a year or two old represent much better value.

drunkmonkey

A 1yr old S5 from the UK is cheaper than a new R or S3 here. I know there not the same segment but that's a lot of the car for the same money. Then you've the Tesla 3 performance to compete with second hand in 3yrs time. It's interesting times.

Royale with Cheese

When I posted a link to my ad last week I didn't think it'd generate 6 pages of talk about halogen lights, glad to give you all something to talk about :pac:

The car is now sold. Ad went up Thursday, first serious interest on Friday, viewed the car and agreed to buy on Sunday, did the payment and handover this morning. I had another guy due to view the car later on Sunday who seemed very keen on doing a deal if this buyer fell through for any reason when I told him it was now sold, and another guy who seemed genuine and wanted to view it in a week or two when he was up in Dublin. Apart from that I had another few spoofers making lowball offers or asking stupid questions.

I think some of you are overthinking this a little, these cars are now coming up on 5-6 years old and are going for under 20k. Not every potential buyer out there will be browsing VW forums with an exact spec picked out. At the end of the day you get into it, turn the ignition on and put your foot down... it's still a GTI. It was well looked after, low mileage, problem parts replaced and under warranty for a year and it was not overpriced. I had plenty of interest in it in the end.

Not picking up my Model 3 until the end of the month, going to be driving my girlfriend's 2005 1.4L Mk5 Golf until then. 74BHP :eek:

Right, I'm off to the EV forum to enjoy the smell of my own farts and discuss saving the planet with like minded individuals. Although you might see me back in here in a 7.5 R when 0% BIK disappears in 2023 :pac:

JoeA3

Fair play, great result.

carsfan2

Did you achieve your asking price?
Buyer mention the halogen lights? I bet not.

Royale with Cheese

For full transparency (might be useful for anyone else trying to figure out how much their car is worth) I bought the car off a garage called DC Motor for €23,800 in February 2018, sold it for €18,750. So about a €5000 loss in 20 months. I was originally planning on keeping it 3 years and was expecting it to be worth around 15-16 and that point so it's more or less in line with that.

dastardly00

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

The car is now sold. Ad went up Thursday, first serious interest on Friday, viewed the car and agreed to buy on Sunday, did the payment and handover this morning.

Wow that was a quick sale! Well done

CIP4

Good result RWC I figured you would sell it easily enough with such low mileage that made it stand out. I find on here the whole used car thing is over played “oh you won’t have a hope of selling that privately people only buy cars on PCP from main dealers” However in reality plenty of people buy on PCP but equally there are still people who don’t buy cars on finance or just get a bank loan and buy privately.

drunkmonkey

Still think it was too cheap.....can't wait to hear about the Tesla though, it'll be interesting to hear what someone coming from a fun car has to say about it after a few weeks.

Royale with Cheese

Well I didn't want to admit it on a public forum but I needed rid of that car fast. The Tesla is coming in 3 weeks and I need to transfer my NCB onto it, I didn't want to end up with both cars and having the golf sitting outside uninsured. If there wasn't much interest in the golf within the first couple of weeks I'd probably have been on to Tesla to see if they'd give me my deposit back.

carsfan2

What model tesla 3 are you getting?
Have you already driven one?

Royale with Cheese

Just the base model, the BIK on anything above that makes the whole thing a little less attractive. Haven't driven in one, just sat in it! It was a bit of an impulse decision, they announced 0% BIK until 2023 in the budget but also got rid of the €3800 grant for business customers. You had to have a vin assigned to you by October 22 and the car delivered by the end of the year to get this grant. I managed to get in just in time, only ordered the car about a month ago.