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Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

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Kevin Lunney was abducted from his home last night and badly beaten.

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Danzy

Discodog wrote: »

Would it have been possible for a business of that size to operate on the border without paying their "dues" ?

Would the recipients happily sit back & accept that the money has stopped flowing ?

Is there anyone who doesn't need a map to find Fermanagh or Cavan, nevermind Derrylin, who believes the protection money story, probably not.

Are some of those who go on about it or promote it doing it as a distraction, certainly, not all by any means.

Danzy

JeffKenna wrote: »

Why would the directors have not said if that was the case? Why do they keep referring to the 'paymaster'?

The directors have enough on their plate rather than entertaining rámeis about extortion.

Dual wheels

JeffKenna wrote: »

Why would the directors have not said if that was the case? Why do they keep referring to the 'paymaster'?

The paymaster will be a high ranking IRA man who would have been taking protection money from Sean Quinn for 30 years in return for allowing Quinn to continue his business
If any moron thinks that by getting the current directors out is automatically going to mean Sean Quinn will be back in charge is a fool, the US funds still own the companies and Quinn hasn’t the money to buy the companies back unless he sells some of assets he hid...
No doubt the directors will know who the paymaster is as they have worked in Quinn for all those years

Danzy

Dual wheels wrote: »

The paymaster will be a high ranking IRA man who would have been taking protection money from Sean Quinn for 30 years in return for allowing Quinn to continue his business
If any moron thinks that by getting the current directors out is automatically going to mean Sean Quinn will be back in charge is a fool, the US funds still own the companies and Quinn hasn’t the money to buy the companies back unless he sells some of assets he hid...
No doubt the directors will know who the paymaster is as they have worked in Quinn for all those years

That's certainly a new spin on it all.

Do you even believe it yourself?

John_Rambo

Danzy wrote: »

That's certainly a new spin on it all.

Do you even believe it yourself?

It's a reasonable enough theory and certainly not a new spin at all. You obviously don't believe it so you must have an alternative theory.

Do you have a theory? Can you (without naming names) direct me to who you think the paymaster is?

I'm not judging you, I haven't a clue what's going on up there, but it's shocking and very wrong and it's morbidly fascinating. If you're certain about the paymaster could you hint of who it is? Is it a successful, but fallen business owner that has lost his business? If you're uncomfortable answering on an open thread pm me. I'll keep it private.

Muahahaha

Dual wheels wrote: »

The paymaster will be a high ranking IRA man who would have been taking protection money from Sean Quinn for 30 years in return for allowing Quinn to continue his business
If any moron thinks that by getting the current directors out is automatically going to mean Sean Quinn will be back in charge is a fool, the US funds still own the companies and Quinn hasn’t the money to buy the companies back unless he sells some of assets he hid...
No doubt the directors will know who the paymaster is as they have worked in Quinn for all those years

Thing is though if these criminals win and the US company decides to sell then what other company is going to buy into it knowing well that their directors would be under death threats too. If the criminals win they will also massively devalue the company as no-one would go near it, except for Sean Quinn who then gets to pick it up for a song. Not saying that this will happen but it certainly would be his most favoured outcome imo.

high_king

If they had attacked and tortured a lorry driver or any ordinary local person, there would have been no word about it.

And well the locals know it.

Large parts of Ireland are effectively lawless at this stage. With "Gardai" only leaving their stations for traffic and motor tax offenses statistics instead.

careless sherpa

John_Rambo wrote: »

It's a reasonable enough theory and certainly not a new spin at all. You obviously don't believe it so you must have an alternative theory.

Do you have a theory? Can you (without naming names) direct me to who you think the paymaster is?

I'm not judging you, I haven't a clue what's going on up there, but it's shocking and very wrong and it's morbidly fascinating. If you're certain about the paymaster could you hint of who it is? Is it a successful, but fallen business owner that has lost his business? If you're uncomfortable answering on an open thread pm me. I'll keep it private.

The IRA claim is bizarre and inaccurate The issue is with a person not native to the region and only living there a decade or so

Patrick2010

careless sherpa wrote: »

The IRA claim is bizarre and inaccurate The issue is with a person not native to the region and only living there a decade or so

Who is that?
Interesting article in today’s Indo revealing that Sean Quinn complained to the parish priests boss about his homily even though no name was mentioned. Also suggested he was considering legal action.

Discodog

careless sherpa wrote: »

The IRA claim is bizarre and inaccurate The issue is with a person not native to the region and only living there a decade or so

And the IRA or their latest incarnation are happy to allow an outsider to come in & dictate business ?

martyoo

careless sherpa wrote: »

The IRA claim is bizarre and inaccurate The issue is with a person not native to the region and only living there a decade or so

It's by far the most plausible theory. There is no way he wasn't paying them off or working with them in some capacity. Are we supposed to believe that he became the wealthiest man in the country right under their noses and during the height of the troubles? Unlikely!

CatFromHue

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Interesting article in today’s Indo revealing that Sean Quinn complained to the parish priests boss about his homily even though no name was mentioned. Also suggested he was considering legal action.

The Priest and QIH keeping on mentioning a "paymaster". So I don't see how Quinn has a case here, of course that doesn't mean he can't issue proceedings to try and shut people up.

I think there was a story in one of the papers that for the arson attacks the arsonist was paid 20K, with 15K for the arsonist and the other 5K for his gang.

Discodog

CatFromHue wrote: »

The Priest and QIH keeping on mentioning a "paymaster". So I don't see how Quinn has a case here, of course that doesn't mean he can't issue proceedings to try and shut people up.

I think there was a story in one of the papers that for the arson attacks the arsonist was paid 20K, with 15K for the arsonist and the other 5K for his gang.

Really? A scroat would do it for €100.

CatFromHue

actually got it wrong, it was 5K for the arsonist and the other 15K for his gang

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/crossborder-arsonist-paid-20000-a-time-for-70-attacks-on-quinn-firms-38566764.html

ToxicPaddy

Muahahaha wrote: »

Thing is though if these criminals win and the US company decides to sell then what other company is going to buy into it knowing well that their directors would be under death threats too. If the criminals win they will also massively devalue the company as no-one would go near it, except for Sean Quinn who then gets to pick it up for a song. Not saying that this will happen but it certainly would be his most favoured outcome imo.

You're right about no one else touching it with a barge pole but the current US owners would probably sell the most profitable parts and shut down the remaining bits, selling off all assets and walk away.

These companies do not buy these companies at anywhere near market value and probably got tax breaks and support from the government by agreeing to do so. Chances are they have already made money off of it. They would start by selling off debts, moveable assets and everything else they could make money from easily, followed by mass redundancies across the board with minimum payouts. This would mean they can wash their hands of it and leave the government pick up the pieces.

So if whoever is behind this violence and intimidation think they will gain from this, it could backfire on them hugely and end up with nothing. The business would be gone, assets sold off, mass unemployment across the board and a very wary public unwilling to do business with that company and certain individuals should it ever resurface again as a business.

The negative publicity this has created would pretty much guarantee that most if not all companies who are considering moving to Ireland from setting up in this area.

Infini

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Send the army up to rip down them posters and maintain a presence on the Republic side of the border. This is completely unnacceptable. This is dangerous behaviour to the whole economy.

Threats cannot be idly made like this.

I'd be honest here they should find these vermin and have them thrown in a small 4x4 cell for the rest of their natural lives, they think they're hard men making these threats but it should be made absolutely clear if they think they can just go round threatening people that they'll have another thing coming. They throw out threats that they could have killed that poor guy but let's be honest they're not stupid, they've gotten more attention on them now and if they'd actually gone and killed him it's likely they'd be hunted down outright. They're idiots at the end of the day though as this kind of behaviour won't be tolerated and they've gotten attention on themselves that will likely end up being their downfall.

Danzy

martyoo wrote: »

It's by far the most plausible theory. There is no way he wasn't paying them off or working with them in some capacity. Are we supposed to believe that he became the wealthiest man in the country right under their noses and during the height of the troubles? Unlikely!

It lacks any evidence though. The people involved in this are known, they don't hide it, haven't for years. They aren't political or claim to be.

What went on with the Provos and Quinn 40 years ago is not relevant.

The Lunneys, the board and most locals know who is behind it and why and none of them entertain the extortion tale.

Danzy

Infini wrote: »

I'd be honest here they should find these vermin and have them thrown in a small 4x4 cell for the rest of their natural lives, they think they're hard men making these threats but it should be made absolutely clear if they think they can just go round threatening people that they'll have another thing coming. They throw out threats that they could have killed that poor guy but let's be honest they're not stupid, they've gotten more attention on them now and if they'd actually gone and killed him it's likely they'd be hunted down outright. They're idiots at the end of the day though as this kind of behaviour won't be tolerated and they've gotten attention on themselves that will likely end up being their downfall.

It has been tolerated for years though and a blind eye turned on it by the Guards etc, one would presume down to friendship or payment.

martyoo

Kevin Lunney speaks about his torture and near-escape from border gang in first TV interview. https://jrnl.ie/4880295

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Danzy wrote: »

It lacks any evidence though. The people involved in this are known, they don't hide it, haven't for years. They aren't political or claim to be.

What went on with the Provos and Quinn 40 years ago is not relevant.

The Lunneys, the board and most locals know who is behind it and why and none of them entertain the extortion tale.

John McCarten was on Today SOR today, and was very clear that they know exactly who it is. He said there is a recording of one person at a public meeting talking about their execution.

Larsso30

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

John McCarten was on Today SOR today, and was very clear that they know exactly who it is. He said there is a recording of one person at a public meeting talking about their execution.

Criminal, republican, regular citizen or a quinn?

Larsso30

Having watching the interview, the abductors neither sound experienced or professional in what they were doing.

Don't get me wrong the done horrific damage to the man but just didn't sound the work of hardened republicans etc..

Infini

Larsso30 wrote: »

Having watching the interview, the abductors neither sound experienced or professional in what they were doing.

Don't get me wrong the done horrific damage to the man but just didn't sound the work of hardened republicans etc..

They're also idiots and fools, throwing round threats like they're above the law. They probably thought they could scare the directors into leaving or doing what they wanted them to do by threatening and intimidating them. The problem for them though is that by acting the bollocks and being the scumbag filth they are they've drawn serious attention to themselves, the kind of attention that usually involves them being removed from society either to their own little box or if they're really stupid by being removed permanently.

When they abducted and tortured that poor guy they probably thought they'd get what they want, whats likely to happen is they're the ones going to be hunted down instead and removed for good and good riddance to scum like them.

Danzy

Infini wrote: »

They're also idiots and fools, throwing round threats like they're above the law. They probably thought they could scare the directors into leaving or doing what they wanted them to do by threatening and intimidating them. The problem for them though is that by acting the bollocks and being the scumbag filth they are they've drawn serious attention to themselves, the kind of attention that usually involves them being removed from society either to their own little box or if they're really stupid by being removed permanently.

When they abducted and tortured that poor guy they probably thought they'd get what they want, whats likely to happen is they're the ones going to be hunted down instead and removed for good and good riddance to scum like them.

They don't want anything but to keep receiving the generous pay.

As Kevin Lunney's brother said, it was not personal, just a job they were doing.

fryup

Larsso30 wrote: »

Having watching the interview, the abductors neither sound experienced or professional in what they were doing.

Don't get me wrong they done horrific damage to the man but just didn't sound the work of hardened republicans etc..

doing damage to a person sounds exactly the work of hardened republicans

Bigboldworld

I wonder who this ‘’boss’’ was that the mercenaries were onto on the phone

mgn

Out of curiosity, why did he give the interview to the BBC instead of RTE.

Danzy

fryup wrote: »

doing damage to a person sounds exactly the work of hardened republicans

That's a fair stretch ffs, lol.

Shoehorn away though.

Mantis Toboggan

In fairness Quinn is ruthless, he had to have been to get to where he got. There was always going to be a backlash. Will be interesting to see how far it goes.

James Brown

Ironically those people carrying this out on behalf of Quinn interests will likely cause damage to the local communities in the long run as they move their business elsewhere or close up all together.