Tell me how wrote: » Who are 'the people'?Do you think there is an issue in terms of mans impact on the environment? How do you think we should tackle it?Greta thinks there's an issue, she thinks we need to unite behind the science to develop solutions to reduce the impact on society and facilitate alternative methods to supplying worldwide economies. It's not very complicated, or unreasonable to hold this view is it?
gozunda wrote: » Problems with 'mans impact' on the environment does not equate with having to believe the screaming heebjeebies of 'greta'. The cult of personality has absolutely sweet feck all with what the scientists are actually saying. More importantly the kid is far from 'reasonable' in her various rantings tbh. But you know that already...
Irish PM under fire for extolling benefits of climate crisis Activists critical of Leo Varadkar over claim warmer winters lead to fewer deaths Environmentalists have heaped scorn on Leo Varadkar, Ireland’s prime minister, after he said the climate crisis could have benefits such as warmer winters, lower heating bills and fewer deaths. Some called the comments silly and weird, others branded them irresponsible. The taoiseach made the comments in Dublin last week at the launch of an upbeat progress report on the government’s climate action plan.“One thing we definitely face as a result of climate change is a warmer winter. We’re already experiencing warmer winters and that actually means using less energy because it’s warmer and people need less heating and it also means fewer deaths as a result of cold weather,” he said. “It’s interesting that when you do look at those things there is a ledger, and there are benefits and there are downsides. The downsides outweigh the benefits, but we need to be aware of them too.” Irish Doctors for the Environment, an advocacy group, wrote to Varadkar on Monday saying the climate crisis had an “overwhelmingly negative effect on human health”. It asked him to retract and “address the errors” in his speech. Other environmental campaigners expressed anger and disbelief. “That the taoiseach would make these comments while delivering a progress report on his government’s climate action plan exposes the extent to which that plan is a surface level response to a multi-faceted crisis, the scale of which they fail to comprehend,” said the Green party. “Millions are dying or being displaced right now. That will rise to hundreds of millions if the complacency of governments around the world continues. Our milder winters are punctuated by cold snaps that threaten our most vulnerable, including the thousands of people now homeless.” Oisín Coghlan, the director of Friends of the Earth Ireland, acknowledged Ireland could benefit in a narrow way but said the climate emergency’s wider impacts on the country and the rest of the world were overwhelmingly negative. Cara Augustenborg, an environmental scientist at University College Dublin, echoed that view, saying the few lives that might be spared from winter-related deaths paled in comparison to wider suffering. Extinction Rebellion Ireland called the comments shocking. “It’s time for civil disobedience,” the group said. The spat came as climate experts warned that a catastrophic storm during high tide will flood thousands of homes, businesses and landmark buildings in Dublin in the coming decades. Peter Thorne, a lead author on the fifth assessment report of the UN’s intergovernmental panel on climate change, said Ireland had so far been able to “dodge a bullet” because storms have struck during low tides. Ireland is one of the EU’s worst carbon emission offenders and faces fines of more than €250m (£216m) for missing 2020 targets on reducing greenhouse gas emissions and adopting renewable energy. The government unveiled an ambitious plan in June that outlined measures to curb emissions and set a path for net-zero carbon emissions by 2050. In recent days the singer Cher and the actor Mark Ruffalo have added their voices to a campaign to stop Ireland becoming an entry point for fracked US gas.
Tell me how wrote: » How many times has she spoken?How many times has been in any way close to being considered to 'screaming heebeejeebies? Outside of the UN speech, a total of zero I think it is fair to say. Even at that, one persons passionate speech is another persons rant apparently.You can talk about cult of personality all you want, it's appropriately vague to distract from the message which she is communicating, the fact that she is 16, the fact that she is a girl, the fact that it will mean changes in order for to see changes or whichever other possible reason is the true source of your angst on this.
KyussB wrote: » https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/04/irish-pm-leo-varadkar-under-fire-for-extolling-benefits-of-climate-crisis Jesus it makes some of the ignorant Clmate Denialism in this thread look respectable.
KyussB wrote: » Varadkar is pretty much in the same camp as the Denialists - just with such views moderated down to the level of bordering on political acceptability, among the most well off. Denialists, faux 'skeptics', and politicians implementing cyncally ineffective climate policy and paying lip service to downplaying climate change - they're the same group - just like the way Free Market Libertarians are the batshit end of the right-wing, and NeoLiberals the supposed 'moderates' of the right, designed to be more politically palatable.If you can highlight the conflicts of interest in Guardian funding, which render the cited article non-credible - go ahead.
rossie1977 wrote: » Nowhere on earth is climate change more apparent than the New Zealand alps. Franz Josef glacier in 1910 filled the valley with hundreds of feet of ice. In 2019 its retreated so far back up the mountain its barely visible anymore. Even since 2009 the rate of retreat is astonishing That's just 2 years
weldoninhio wrote: » So a lump of ice, on land, is melting. I’ve gone to my fridge and got an ice cube and did a micro experiment and you are right!! Ice melts on land, and it’s bleedin freezing out!! Who should I inform??
Tell me how wrote: » Wow, this post is just a brilliant example of the intelligence of the Greta detractors. No need to counter arguments when they are made like this.
weldoninhio wrote: » I did a scientific experiment. Listen to the science.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » You should keep these posts and show them to your grandchildren in years to come. I bet they'll find them hilarious.
weldoninhio wrote: » I doubt it. In the year 2086 they’ll probably be worried about the world ending in 10 years and the worlds cities being underwater. #RinseAndRepeat
Professor Moriarty wrote: » If the scientists are proven right, it will be because of people like you.
weldoninhio wrote: » I’ll take my chances. Scientists have been getting it wrong for the past 100 plus years.
biko wrote: » Greta is now trying to get back to Europe again.https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1191393708660449287
Professor Genius wrote: » Is she taking her meds???
rossie1977 wrote: » A lump of ice. Franz josef glacier was a gigantic river of ice and rock hundreds of feet thick located far above sea level high in the mountains. What is happening is an ecological and environmental disaster in such a tiny period of time.Parts of Return of the King was filmed in the area and the landscape has dramatically changed in the 15 or so years since that movie came out.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » New Zealand is pretty f*cked anyway environment wise, it's going downhill fasthttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/18/decades-of-denial-major-report-finds-new-zealands-environment-is-in-serious-trouble
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